Zac Efron Celebrates Birthday at Driving Range

Zac Efron Celebrates Birthday at Driving Range

Zac Efron gets silly on the driving range while celebrating his birthday on Friday afternoon (October 18) in Carlsbad, Calif.

The 26-year-old actor joined his dad, David, and some friends on the green before heading back to Los Angeles with his younger brother, Dylan, for dinner at Chateau Marmont.

PHOTOS: Check out the latest pics of Zac Efron

There, Zac was joined by his closest friends, including Joe Jonas and his girlfriend, Blanda Eggenschwiler.

In case you missed it, check out Zac at That Awkward Moment‘s fan event!

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Credit: David Tonnessen; Photos: FameFlynet, PacificCoastNewsOnline
Posted to: Dylan Efron, Zac Efron
  • fan

    MALIGAYANG KAARAWAN ZAC. <3 TAKE CARE. ;)

  • ASTRID

    great!!!!! i play golf too!! i am so happy to see you there!! be happy zac!!!love you ?

  • andrea

    Happy belated birthday Zac. It’s so great to see him celebrate with his family and closest friends!

  • OK

    Zac you look great , Love you and hope you had a very happy birthday.

  • IMO

    Zac looks really good and it looks like he had a blast .I love that he celebrated his birthday with people he cares about and they care about him.

  • OK

    @IMO Family and friends that care about him , what more can one ask for to have a great Birthday?

  • OK

    Zac looks fantastic.

  • claudia

    hope he had fun, what he needs is to just take things easy from now on.

  • sharona

    So happy to see him having a good time with friends and family! Here’s hoping he FEELS as good as he LOOKS because he looks fantastic!

  • http://0 maria

    happy belated birthday zac.i hope you enjoy your day.

  • IMO

    @OK: Zac looks so handsome. It really looks like he had fun and spent his special day with the people that matter. Love him and wish him only the very best of everything in his life and career. As all his fans do.

  • CHINA26

    Se ve hermosamente bello!!!

  • Glamour

    beautiful beautiful man .he’s aging reverse

  • kelly martineau

    Zac is showing of his’s musucles doing push ups. Zac looking good. Looks like his’s having fun.

  • OK

    @IMO This seems to be the best birthday ever and his birthday wish was for all of us. Only someone truly happy and surrounded by loved ones would do that.

  • OK

    To bad Zac didn’t start singing “Bet On It” while the camera was on him. That would of been hilarious.

  • Lawrence

    Zac and Dylan are hotties!, glad he a good birthday.

  • Lolo11

    Yay, a bit of peace hopefully – I loved these pictures by the way.

    • SERIOUSLY

      Same. They´re some of my favorite Zac pictures of all time. (One reason, I immediately had this post in mind. ;)LOL)

      • Lolo11

        Brilliant your here, thought I was on my lonesome then lol.

        A lot has changed since then, all we were worried about the was his drinking.

        • SERIOUSLY

          Yup. true. So much has changed.

  • Lolo11

    This birthday golf day seems a life time away, I adored him then (still do) but this was prior to all the bs.

  • Lolo11

    @justmypo says she can’t see us on here?

    • SERIOUSLY

      She might have to refresh the site a few times. I couldn´t see any posts either before I refreshed maybe that helps?

      • Lolo11

        Ok let me tell her.

      • Lolo11

        I wonder if the others are having the same issue?

        • SERIOUSLY

          Not sure. I had to be even sneakier with contacting @Ok, because he, like you recently made a new account and only commented on very recent posts on JJ, so I didn´t wanna post the link directly so it might still take a moment for him and others to show up. I did contact those I could find, though. @IMO, @What a laugh, @Maria and @Ok for now… I´d suggest using the Disqus comment layout/site instead of the JJJr one… it usually works better for me when it comes to posts showing up immediately, etc…

          • SERIOUSLY
          • Lolo11

            Yeah I do already, oh well let’s just wait and see.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yeah, same. i´m sure it´ll just take a while. BTW, thank you for the suggestion of moving and all that. I honestly needed it. :)

          • Lolo11

            Me too, all the dramas is to much. I’m only interested in Z.
            If it gets like that again we will should try private.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Absolutely. Same feelings.

          • Lolo11

            I deleted mine with good intentions of not coming back but I like chatting Zac things, like I said it’s a fab way of just catching up in general.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yeah, I can understand. Trust me I was on the verge quite a few times myself. Especially a few weeks ago during the week leading up to my birthday when I kinda did a bunch of contemplating… LOL Anyway… yeah, I´m glad there are still people that feel the same way.

          • What a laugh

            Anytime I have commented on a site and new comments come in I immediately get notifications through my emails. Had anyone commented on this site? If so then they will probably get notified.

          • SERIOUSLY

            No. It was “empty” that´s why we chose it. ;)

          • What a laugh

            Good idea. I can’t believe nobody had posted since it was about Zac’s birthday.

          • SERIOUSLY

            I think the post was old enough so it previously had the old JJ commenting system and when they switched to Disqus all the previous comments in the old system got deleted, if that makes sense.

          • What a laugh

            OH, I think I get that! It’s probably to change every once in a while because once a thread has so many comments on it it isn’t as hard for people to take notice. They wonder why there are so many comments and they check it out.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yes, you are right on that. I agree.

          • Lolo11

            Just my po is on it but she can’t see us, only one from a random, a spam and her one?

            She is going to switch computers later.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Really? I´m pretty sure this thread was empty… so strange…

          • Lolo11

            That’s what I said, she said she was looking from her phone and she would try later from a PCs?

          • SERIOUSLY

            Ok. I´m on my Laptop and it works well, Hopefully she has more luck from her PC later.

          • What a laugh

            When I tried to post a reply just a few minutes ago I got some strange comments and then it switched to all these comments so I don’t know what was happening. It was strange. Seems to be alright now.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Weird. When I clicked on the post it was empty until I refreshed the site a few times and @Lolo11´s comments were the first to show up. I don´t know what´s going on.

          • What a laugh

            Who knows what is happening. I think it is time to make an early dinner. I need something to eat.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Well… enjoy your meal then. :)

          • What a laugh

            I don’t know how all that works. I’m just on an iPad.

          • Lolo11

            Me too.

      • What a laugh

        This must be da place! I didn’t have any problems.

        • SERIOUSLY

          Yes, great. @Just My PO seems to have a had a few problems getting here, so we´re still trying to figure some things out, but this was the place we wanted to move to.

        • Lolo11

          Well done

  • Lolo11

    Now all we need is some Zac stuff to discuss lol…come home Z all is forgiven.

    • SERIOUSLY

      LOL TBH, generally these days I feel “no news is good news”. I´d love to be proven wrong and for him to give us something positive to talk about though. I could use it. ;)

      • Lolo11

        I know I’m just kidding, I think he will I’m holding out for after the new year.

        • SERIOUSLY

          Oh, yeah, got that. ;) Trust me, I have everything crossed that I can possible cross for it to happen eventually. LOL

    • What a laugh

      I just keep hoping Zac and his team are re-evaluating what they have been trying to do for way to long.

      • Lolo11

        Yea I know but it does make you wonder who the organ grinder is?

  • Lolo11

    Don’t about you guys but the other thread is getting weirder by the day. Plus I’m extremely paranoid about who is who as I think there is too many multiples on there.

    • SERIOUSLY

      Yeah same. I think the story about the tumblr person might be true if lauren actually gave them the direct link to there. If not well… Other than that… yeah.

      • Lolo11

        Strange…anyway still no news (good news) wonder if he went to a retreat, maybe like a yoga or well being thing.

        • SERIOUSLY

          Yes. Maybe, hopefully.

    • What a laugh

      Yeah, I’m having a lot of “qualms” about some things going on in the other thread. There are several things I could say but this is to be a “neutral zone” so I don’t ant anyone to think I want something other than peace. However, my biggest qualm is with this @Jazz person. I don’t care what he says about Lauren—it is too fishy. When have you ever known her to be so accepting of someone and so “sweet”? And how did this guy just suddenly become so friendly with her or her trying to get him yo come to the jjjr back thread, etc? She is on numerous Internet sites and drives people crazy. Suddenly we have this guy sucking up to her, etc, etc, etc??? Not buying that and my inner gut feeling when it hits me like this is seldom wrong. I got into my trouble by not going by a gut instinct several months ago.

      But something that really concerns me is you or @Seriously contacting anyone on any other thread to talk about this site because ANYONE else who has posted a comment in that thread will also be notified immediately about the new message which means those people will also see the info. It’s like if you are trying to notify @OK and you don’t want Miss Piggy to see it then you need to make sure Miss a Piggy hasn’t posted on that thread. You need to make sure only those people you don’t mind seeing the info has posted on that particular thread.

      • SERIOUSLY

        like I just replied to you. I know that about those messages/notifications. That´s why the direct link was only posted to those sites that I knew only those I didn´t mind seeing the direct link had commented on and after those people had read the comment the post was deleted.

        • Maria

          All set!

          • SERIOUSLY

            Perfect. :)

      • Lolo11

        Yep that’s what I mean by strange. I’m not worried about anyone finding the thread, I just wanted to get away from the drama and just have a z discussion thread with the arguing.

  • SERIOUSLY

    I don´t know if you guys saw this on the old post, but @lauren just posted this article over there (and I saw it on Twitter as well) http://tinvuila.com/xon-xao-hinh-anh-zac-efron-va-ban-gai-toi-viet-nam/
    It´s in Vietnamese and Google translate (as known) isn´t very good. So, I´m not entirely sure what it says but it looks like Zac and Sami might now be in Vietnam or at least were or something? Maybe one of you can make sense out of what this article says. LOL
    From what I could make out it seems that the article itself isn´t sure whether the pics were taken in Vietnam and when… I suppose we might have another push coming our way with this later on social media?

    • Lolo11

      Maybe that’s why they were so quiet for a few days – no internet. I see Sami just posted for the both again back in Japan.

      • SERIOUSLY

        Yep. I see they used the -Z signature on one of Zac´s post… maybe to make up for Sami´s slip up the other day?

    • What a laugh

      I needed someone to translate the translation! LOL I hate these translation.

      • SERIOUSLY

        Yeah, I thought the same thing. LOL I barely ever use Google translator because it just isn´t good for most languages but for full texts in Vietnamese it was kinda the only one… LOL

  • SERIOUSLY

    Oh well… “Zac” posted on his socials again….

    • Lolo11

      Don’t you think sometimes it’s a huge amount of effort for PR

      • SERIOUSLY

        I don´t really think so, tbh. I mean honestly all they have to do is insinuate some stuff on social media that is now mainly handled by Sami apparently. She can do pretty much what she wants now and that´s all they have to do. I mean those pics could have been taken over the course of a few days and then distributed now to prolong it if that makes,sense. I honestly don´t think it´s much effort, tbh.

        • Lolo11

          I meant like money wise it’s an expensive PR lol. I think you are right about they were taken over days, Infact I think a week or so ago he only had a mustache in the Vietnam pics, and the latest ones today he is quite beared.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Oh, yeah. True. LOL I noticed that about his moustache and beard too, so I agree with you on that too.

        • What a laugh

          I agree. Surely Zac’s image and believability would be in much better stead if Zac’s PR team would work a little harder and put in more time.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Thanks and you are right. It probably would be. If there was more effort there wouldn´t have been as many mess ups/slip ups in the whole PR thing and the entire social media thing… well let´s just say it´s a mess and that´s putting it nicely. LOL

    • IMO

      Nice to be here thank you, I am not surprised but I do find it extremely interesting that they are both posting pics individually and not together. Also at any particular place of extreme importance of beauty. I also find it odd that she is so obsessed to follow his social media (I guess she is working after all LOL ) while being on a supposedly vacation of a lifetime with the heart throb of so many girls dreams. What a joke to try and play this off as a normal couple being on a romantic vacation, but what else is new and the beat goes on.

      • Lolo11

        Welcome @imo – I agree, there is nothing romantic or touristy about their break.

        • IMO

          Thanks . It even makes me laugh the pic that Zac was supposed to take of her (or that they want us to think he did) is not even a pic where she is posing or taking time to say “cheese” no it was a rush job where she is clearly not ready. In an age where you can delete your pics instantly and choose a nice one to show these pics by both of them are horrible. Zac looks like a derelict and I guess that is his disguise to not blend in that country. LOL

          • Lolo11

            I think he’s looked like that in general ever since he’s been in the fakemance.

          • IMO

            LOLOL you’re right but he does clean up when he wants to . That is the thing when he wants to and if he was trying to impress a girl he would want to.

          • Lolo11

            Absolutely :)

          • Maria

            You hit the nail on the head. This is one of the many reasons I see that make this a fake romance. A man in love is always going out of his way to impress his girl, and treat her special. Zac was a self professed “hopeless romantic”, and nothing he has done shows me he is madly in love. I don’t need inside information to see the lack of sparkle in his eyes.

          • IMO

            Hope to see it one day but it sure hasn’t happened in the last five years.

      • SERIOUSLY

        Absolutely agree and so happy you made it! :) It´s a joke, really. But we all already knew that. You are right, I did notice that too that most of the pics it´s either Sami or mostly Zac on his own. Yeah, I noticed that today they used the -Z signature in one of Zac´s posts, but like I said to @Lolo11 below as well, I still think it was Sami (because of the timing) posting for him maybe using the signature to try and cover her behind after her slip up the other day, LOL Either way, it´s clear that this isn´t the romantic getaway they want to make it out to be. JMO

        • IMO

          Agreed , they may be together and even have fun as a couple of friends traveling Hopefully doing things that are not hurtful to him or worse. By the looks of it , they are slumming it since they both look horrible and downright dirty.

          • SERIOUSLY

            I agree with you on both of the above.

    • OK

      Thanks for letting me know about the new post and I am very happy to be here.
      I will be posting on both posts but will stay quiet about this one.
      I do have to go to lunch with the boss .
      Thanks again
      More later

      • SERIOUSLY

        You´re welcome and glad you found it.

    • Maria

      I am beginning to wonder if Miro is being paid to run his social media.

      • SERIOUSLY

        I have thought about that too and TBH it wouldn’t surprise me one bit. I think that it is actually very likely the case. JMO

  • SERIOUSLY

    Two thoughts on Sami´s new Instagram pic…
    #1: Who on God´s earth posts a picture of a chewed up chewing gum in their open mouth? I mean… (Right, Sami Miro because that´s how she was abe to “sneak” Zac into the post, too)…wow, this “vacation” must be spectacular if that is what they find “Instagram worthy”, LOL
    #2: I think the pic might be a bit older, tbh and could be taken the same day as “Zac´s ninja jump in the subway” the other day. I´m just guessing here but it´s very possible that this was the same day, at least to me. JMO

    • IMO

      I thought the same thing and Zac looks absolutely miserable just from his eyes. So I guess since she isn’t wearing the surgical mask because one she is too vain to take the pic with it on and she loves to show her mouth open even with stuff inside it LOL , or two he is wearing his as a disguise. Either way I laughed because of my comments about them posting individually yesterday then voila she tries to sneak this one in to show they are together but certainly not a couple enjoying the vacation of a lifetime. Such a joke , they look ridiculous now. they can’t even stop to take a posed picture in front of a pretty place with all the people there that are good with cameras they could find a person who doesn’t know Zac and ask them to take the pic, but no that is too normal.
      Also interesting that Zac’s commercial for Lekker today is taking at a private section or small airport I wonder if it’s here or there? Just wondering is all.

      • SERIOUSLY

        Absolutely agree with you and yeah I laughed too. About him being home… I think they might be. But I also agree with your post on the old thread about it depending on his sobriety if he is or not. I thought the exact same thing. As for the Lekker pic… I don’t think this is Zac in the pic, tbh. Or was there something else that I missed? Either way it does look like a private section or a small airport anyway. They do look ridiculous and I genuinely do face palm for them. JMO

        • IMO

          LOL you’re right it’s not Zac I just looked at the actual post . I must wear my glasses at all times LOL It will be interesting to see on if he goes home for the Holidays. I’m betting yes but you never know .

          • SERIOUSLY

            I would hope he would and I think he will but one never knows. I genuinely hope Zac does spend some quality time with his family, though. I do think it could do him so good and maybe just maybe make him reconsider certain things again as well. JMO

          • IMO

            I think it also does him good and he knows it. I also think it all depends on his state of health if he would not go , but that’s on him and his conscience. I’m sure if he takes the baggage again she will make sure to let us know even if it is for show and they part ways and meet up later like last year.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Definitely. I feel the same way. I really do think it´s a chance to catch some downtime and spend some quality time with them and TBH I would hope it might lead to some reconsidering and things like that too, if that makes sense. Either way, I do agree with you about it boiling down to whether he chooses to go and wants to, which in turn IMO, like in yours, depends on his state of health. Generally I don´t think he would miss it, though, unless… I´m sure you catch the drift, particularly because he does have this time right now off and it´s also just a good opportunity for him to get out of LA and all that.

          • IMO

            Makes perfect sense . I do think when Zac is with real family he wants to do good and be everything they want him to be. I honestly think that when he’s with them he thinks I will stop all the crap but it’s when he comes back to parties and the friends and it’s there he succumbs to the temptation. Not always because there are pics where I can see him trying . It’s just the life of one that is addicted to that life it’s really hard unless you leave it completely and with Zac I think he has tried but he thinks it’s still fun to party. That is the part where I do have compassion for him because he is still so young and it is fun to party. His body and mind has and will betray him . He can kill himself because while others can walk away he can’t so he just has make that decision and right now he is living on borrowed time with his lifestyle.

          • SERIOUSLY

            I 100% agree with everything you say here. I definitely feel the exact same way about him and what he is doing.

          • IMO

            Same , thanks :)

          • SERIOUSLY

            :)

  • Lolo11

    The picture posted today could have been take the other day, looks like the same outfit from the jumping in the subway pic?

    • SERIOUSLY

      I thought the same thing (as I posted below, LOL) Plus the location is still off.

      • Lolo11

        Whoops sorry I’m on my phone and hadn’t changed the feed to newest – yep im convinced to its from the other day and with the location off I also think they are home

        • SERIOUSLY

          Don’t worry. Just goes to show most of us are thinking the same thing. I also agree with you on the last part and think they might be home now. (Watch them post a new pic with the location showing they are not. Lol JK)

  • SERIOUSLY

    I don´t know about you guys but I´m still doubting those pictures are recent and I still think they have been or at least are back in LA again. JMO, though. The location is still off and there´s just a bunch of things that make me believe that those pics might be older. BTW:.. her latest one… is that supposed to show us that Zac took it of her or…? Because he isn´t in the picture and who is she showing the peace sign to and looking at? Fans? Don´t quite get it but maybe that´s just me being confused, LOL

    • Lolo11

      I agree, I just read the other comments/thread and I agree they are home it’s a decoy to throw people off for thanksgiving.

      • SERIOUSLY

        Thanks and I agree with you. I definitely don´t think these are “at the moment” or “real time” shots either. Too much stuff doesn´t fit.

    • IMO

      I agree so much with you , but we shouldn’t be surprised the games that are being played continue . As they say Same Sh** Different Day. As you mentioned she could be arriving -leaving all by herself or maybe Zac is talking the pic but she wants it known that he is so she is throwing in his signature hand sign.
      Locater is off so??? But it’s also on when it suits her , it’s just a shame Zac give her this power. For that, it scares me since it is a great power. So I get very nervous that she will be around especially if your guess is that he is paying her. Zac is very loyal and I think he doesn’t enjoy letting people go so he keeps her around for security . Also if she lets him do anything he wants without protest and hassle , he will keep the baggage around as needed. He calls she is on speed dial after all that is what she is paid for.

      • SERIOUSLY

        Thank you and I definitely agree with what you say 100%. No surprise in their games at all just always the same old same old like you say. I agree with you on the second part as well. It is scary and sad to think that but I definitely agree.

        • IMO

          I think that while he is still living this yo yo life of partying then trying to be clean things won’t change. IMO If she doesn’t hassle or irritate him enough to just be sick of her she may stick around longer than we all expected. Scary but that’s how I feel.

          • SERIOUSLY

            I totally understand and I do feel the same way as scary, sad and sickening it may be.

          • IMO

            Yep, sad but true. PR or not we still have to stomach the disgusting display she gives us,

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yeah. Sad but true.

          • IMO

            Have a great day and hopefully we see nothing for a change , that would be nice unless it’s him alone with family. Otherwise I’d rather have a peaceful weekend with no news. :)

          • SERIOUSLY

            Thank you and you are so right that would be nice. You have a great day too and enjoy the festivities. :)

          • OK

            I was so happy to see your post today on he Zac and Sami split JJ.
            I do hope as do others that you decide to start posting on a regular basis ( you are truly missed.
            We are now at Just Jared 2012-10-04 Zac Efron Nicole Kidman Paperboy character posters
            Hoe to se you he soon.

          • IMO

            Thanks for the invite you can delete this now . I’ve been gone so long. It will be a lot to get used to the new changes, and I will be the Newbie. LOL

  • OK

    I just wanted to wish everyone a “HAPPY THANKSGIVING” and for those of you who do not celebrate a VERY BLESSED DAY ” today.

    • IMO

      I second that. Happy Thanksgiving and I think we all can find things we are thankful for even if it isn’t a Holiday in other countries.

      • Lolo11

        Happy thanksgivng

        • IMO

          Thanks :) same to both of you

      • SERIOUSLY

        Happy Thanksgiving. :)

        • IMO

          Thanks :)

    • Lolo11

      Happy thanksgiving

    • SERIOUSLY

      Happy Thanksgiving to you too. :)

  • SERIOUSLY

    Oh well… can´t say I´m surprised that “Zac” is still tweeting out all those pics taken in Japan including one of the two of them. I personally do think that he may actually be home with his family for the holidays and without Sami and maybe the pics are posted to “cover” the fact that she isn´t with him for the holidays up but still… They are apparently still trying to sell this as a peaceful (“romantic”) vacation to “do yoga and eat sushi”, their “favorite things”, LOL Anyway… nothing new about that and I guess it´s just another one of “those days”… JMO

    • SERIOUSLY

      Oh and I guess it didn´t take long for Jared to pick up on it and turn it into a post… what else is new?

    • IMO

      Not surprised at all either. This in my opinion is why they went to show the world they are indeed a couple and doing “normal” things but the fact is they know everything that is posted on his Socials is picked up for a story and that is the reason they do it., period end of story . Famewho*ing in the guise of sharing his personal life with fans. Well that person who dreamed of being famous while holding his personal love sacred is gone forever now and has sold his soul for what he thinks he has to do to stay relevant. I know it’s the thing to do in Hollywood but as I cite others for being desperate I will do the same for Zac . Just thought he had more character even in his present state of losing his mind. As for him still being there I also doubt it but if he chose to stay there with her for this long I will begin to question again my core belief that this hasn’t turned from complete PR to him actually wanting to spend time with time with her. Some people get used to what they are around and settle just because it’s ready and available and this just may be the case in this instance. If so I feel sorry for him for settling for a person that in the long run will be his downfall. I know others disagree with me about standing firm on the PR thing but as time goes by my confidence is shaken while I see the obviously PR I st have questions as to why so much and why go to such lengths.

      • SERIOUSLY

        I just want to quickly address the last part. I understand what you say… personally I still see absolutely nothing between them. There is nothing in his look or in his behavior that would suggest (at least to me) that they are more than friends at best. I do think they do get along as friends for the most part though and I do think that as long as Zac doesn´t change his way of thinking and lifestyle he might just enjoy having her around as a party friend who doubles as PR, which means they can try to spin whatever situation he gets himself into while partying with her around into something that it´s not. That´s just my opinion on it though. And IF there´s something more (it´s most certainly not love and I still doubt that there even is more) then I agree with you and I´m just sorry for him for lowering himself to someone like this. I just don´t see it because I just don´t see anything between them and it doesn´t even have anything to do with public “PDA” or that… it´s just that I think even if it wasn´t “love” per se… there would still be some kind of “intimacy” or at the very least familiarity, if that makes sense, when they stand next to each other or look at each other, etc… and that just doesn´t come across. At least not to me. I do think like I said above that maybe all this is to cover up the fact that they might not be together for the holidays. This way they can be on the sites and people won´t question it while Zac might be home with family. And she can be elsewhere doing whatever. IF he truly isn´t home and is still in Japan with her, which I personally highly doubt, in light of this push too, I am genuinely starting to think that maybe he feels like he couldn´t face his family in that condition, which if they did let lose and party over there would also explain their extreme desire to make it look like a quiet and peaceful, harmless romantic getaway. That´s all if they really are still there, though. If not, then I say they aren´t together for the holidays and that´s why all this circus is happening. JMO Lastly… it´s just sickening to think that this used to be the guy that always wanted to keep his privacy just that. Quite honestly. On top of that… and I know it´s not an obligation to tweet about Thanksgiving, especially because it´s most likely not even Zac doing these posts. But IMO, those who truly are professional use their social media as a link to fans in a professional way. Keeping them up-to-date with their projects and occassional Q&A´s here and there during promo time. Maybe a selfie from set once in a while while filming or even at times some “family” or throwback pics… but most and for all for most of them it is a way of keeping fans interested and also often times to show that the fans are important to the celeb by posting things for holidays, for example (whether they truly mean it or not). It can and has been done. We all know that Zac´s socials aren´t professional anymore and that it´s just messy and I also think that at this point with all this acclaimed private stuff on them and focusing on that more instead of his professional life he is not just driving many fans away but he is also making many people forget what he truly wants to be known for; his career. I guess now that´s not the case anymore. If they truly do think that having 8/11 Million followers on social media equals actual dedicated and unconditionally loving fans they are even more delusional than I thought. I would bet anything that since this all started people started following his socials more in pure interest in the latest gossip about him or maybe to catch a glimpse at his abs and looks. Those followers that are real that is. I would almost guarantee that very few of those followers are actual fans in the understanding of unconditional interest and love and those who once used to be that, have been driven away in numbers. You are right all this is famewh*ring at its finest and I never thought Zac would be one to lower himself to that degree. But I guess as long as he is letting addiction rule and run his life things won´t change overall. And I am still not seeing a step towards said positive change in his mindset right now. JMO

        • IMO

          Great post and I totally understand everything you are saying here. I want you to be right about the current dating situation and I want to be wrong, period. Right now those words @Just My P.O. said is the truth and it’s happening . I too am not excited at all about any of his projects ahead and I yo yo all over the place about wanting to care and at least support him professionally to standing firm and just letting go completely. I think we have discussed this many time and it’s been hanging over many of our heads for a year or longer. Right now I’m in a funk about it and I will just try and focus on the Family, Holidays and what does make me happy. Thanks for bringing up some points I just needed to hear it helps.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Thank you. I hope you don’t get me wrong and know that I do understand how you feel and why you do. Either way you are so right about focusing on things that do make you happy over the holidays. I feel the same way. Thanks again and I’m glad to hear you found some of what I said helpful in some way. I think we are all in the same boat at the end of the day about having to watch this happen with someone we do love and care about. It can be hard but it is nice to have others to hush out thoughts and feelings with.

          • IMO

            I did and it’s nice to have feedback to counteract the way you feel so you may see things more clearly. That’s what these Zac threads were always supposed to be about. Not who is right or wrong but just to hear different viewpoints so one can make up their own mind as to what they are seeing. I see the trouble makers are back on the other thread and I can’t even stand to read what they say. So depressing to have to deal with mean spirited hateful people who don’t just give opposite opinions just but the mudsling, name calling, and just have no respect for people just trying to discuss. That to me is unforgivable. When they come I just have no time for that . It’s a shame since there are some good conversations and observations there but I can see why you moved and want to stay protected . Anyway thanks again for giving us a fortress of solitude from the Hate.
            Zacland is quiet which is good , because right now I don’t even care to know what he is doing if he is with the baggage. I think we all need a break from them at this point.

          • SERIOUSLY

            I agree with you. That´s what these threads were supposed to be about. Bottom line is… this constant back and forth of hate, provocations, etc that just won´t stop is annoying and tiring to me. I´m just really, really tired of weeding out all those hateful comments to get to those things that actually hit the subject if that makes sense. Either way, I can´t take credit for creating the “fortress of solitude” as you called it as that was @Lolo11´s idea. It´s not so much about going private anyway or anything, the idea was just to have a “drama-free” place, like you said. Anyway… I also agree about the last part. A break from these games would be nice.

          • IMO

            Well thank you and @Lolo11 it’s just too bad some are left behind but I totally understand since they have open disques that can be easily tracked ,or they they are new , a bit overzealous , or plain can’t be trusted. anyway have a good one whatever you do today.

          • SERIOUSLY

            You’re welcome. :)

  • Kitkat

    test…

    no comments for 3 days? is everyone still on the old thread?

    edit:nevermind i went through it

    • Lolo11

      Lol I’m still checking in, I think this is just a safety net if the ransoms get too much on the other thread.

      • SERIOUSLY

        Same.

  • Maria

    Yikes. WHat is going on on the other thread? It is painful to read the bullying.

    • SERIOUSLY

      Yeah and it just won’t stop either. Personally I don’t think I’ll go there much anymore for a while (much less comment). At least until things have calmed down a bit. It’s just too tiring to filter out the comments which now seem to consist of 90% personal attacks, and back and forth bickering and bullying. So, I will stay here in the “neutral zone” for a while, I guess. LOL I don’t have a problem with difference of opinions and so on but what is going on over there is way beyond any of that. Anyway… I’ve probably said too much now. Bottom line is: We all know what we think on the general situation regarding our subject of conversation: ZAC. And I think at the end of the day that is what is important. And that is what should be talked about. JMO

      • Lolo11

        I agree I am so bored with it. I’m on here to now ????

        • SERIOUSLY

          Same. ;)

      • Maria

        I can honestly tell you, the personal attacks have been going on here for many years. Instead of debating different opinions with courtesy, some posters, like BO and many before her, have resorted to attacking individual people for their opinions. One that was particularly bad, was a guy that went by Nightwish. And I can tell you, it’s been going on since the days of defending both Zac and Vanessa. Unfortunately, personal attacks can bring out the worst, and people say things they shouldn’t. BO was brutal toward Vanessa, and could never take constructive criticism of Zac and his issues. She never understood the things I saw brewing, and attacked me and others. So, as you can see, I have been there before, and choose to avoid it altogether. Lauren is an easy target, because she is feisty and responds to every remark. I fear those hateful people will continue unless she pulls back and stops responding. I do admire her ability to defend herself though! I could go on, but thanks for listening to my rant.

        • SERIOUSLY

          Yeah, no worries. I get what you say and I do understand and agree. Things have just gotten completely out of hand at this point, IMO. It is so incredibly tiring. And I´m not someone who is easily annoyed by this stuff, even if it might seem that way, LOL As far as what you say about “easy targets” goes… I do agree with that. They know @lauren is not gonna take it and ignore it (which can be a good thing in certain situations) but they know by responding to her they will get a response… which then leads to a constant back and forth that won´t stop. I know she has a hard time ignoring it and it may be harder for her than for any of us. But I think we all know that fueling the fire never does any good. Maybe she just needs to learn that. Other than that… there´s a lot more that I could say about certain types of fans that don´t wanna be constructive, etc… but that´d go too far. I guess, that´s the internet for you and partly what every fanbase kind of has in a way. Anyway… long story short… I think we should try and keep at least this place a “neutral zone” where we can still come and discuss what is going on with Zac. I think all of us are able to form our own opinions on what is going on with him and saw things we wanted to respectfully discuss with others which is what brought us here to begin with, right? (At least that´s how it was for me.)

          • Lolo11

            Defnately, I agree with both of you it’s awful and we seem to have gone off topic on that thread, I have no intention of being part of someone’s cruel jibes.

          • SERIOUSLY

            I agree.

        • What a laugh

          Shut unfortunately Lauren is one of the biggest reasons—if not the biggest reason—why some of the really disgusting speaking people just keep going. These people know they cannot get most regulars on that board to respond to them once these people show their colors. However, they also KNOW that Lauren is an easy mark who will respond sometimes more than once to just one of their comments. Then she is every. It as rude and potty-mouthed as they are. Then everyone babies her—and that’s the truth—more or less telling her she doesn’t do the same thing. These people are accused of being Sami stands and I don’t always think they are. I’ve been around a long time and some people just like to stir up trouble. And one of the problems after all this time is Lauren is EVERYWHERE on the Internet and people know who she is and she PO’s people wherever she posts—trust me. So when I see a battle start between her and some person who is trying to cause a stir I just skip over her and that person’s posts. It goes faster and is less aggravating…

  • Lolo11

    Wish we had some Zac news so all this stupidness would stop on the other thread. So frustrated with it !!!!!

    • SERIOUSLY

      TBH, I think at this point not even Zac news would chnage anything. As long as the trouble stirrers are entertained one way or another they will keep coming back. I think that thread is so far off topic now that personally… I am not sure there even is a turning it back anymore.

      • Lolo11

        Me too, its way off range and tiresome to keep trawling through the comments. Some commenters are constantly replying and some that will just not let sleeping dogs lie. And quite frankly Im fed up as being classed and a “minion” lol, i never got into private conversations, i dont hang on everyword, I have my own opinions but we all are adult enough to agree to disagree sometimes…….sorry for ther vent arrghh!!!! lol.

        • SERIOUSLY

          Don’t worry I get it and feel the exact same way.

      • What a laugh

        You are always going to have problems when you get two people like BO and no me because if nobody else talks to them they can still keep stirring the sh+t. Then when you got Lauren always helping them keep on it is about hopeless unless something comes up which proves they are full of it or they get tired of causing trouble. And then with Emily having her problems nothing is going to be normal on that board for a long time.

        • SERIOUSLY

          Yeah I agree. Nothing is going to be normal for a long time the way things are now.

        • Lolo11

          Its driving me crazy going through all the silly convo’s.

          • What a laugh

            As I have said, for me, when I see there is a argument ( if you can call it that) going on between Lauren and the two big troublemakers I just basically skip it and only look at a couple words in the comments because I know what it is going to ssy anyway.

          • Lolo11

            I know it’s just crazy right. I must admit I did have a game today with one of them today I couldn’t resist. – wrong side of bed and all that lol.

          • What a laugh

            I know what you are saying. I finally cracked a couple of days ago with someone else trying to get some of her over-the-top behavior under control too.

    • Maria

      Honestly, it’s not a bad thing. Quiet is better than the “relationship being shoved down our throats”. Miro is so annoying with her “look at me I’m Efron’s GF” and social media presence. Yes, silence is golden.

  • Lolo11

    Too quiet…………………no news is good news I know, but still too quiet……….

    • SERIOUSLY

      I agree with you “no news is good news” but in the past year or so that often enough lead to more frustrating news once they came… I certainly hope that the former applies at the moment, though. :) I am guessing that DG promo might start up soon-ish too, though. So we will surely get some news then at the latest.

      • Lolo11

        You are right on that one many times his quietness it has bit us on the backside eventually with a taidal wave of OTT PR rubbish. What gets me is when she is so quiet, she is so addicted to fame its must be killing her to stay away.

        • SERIOUSLY

          Agreed. And you are right. I can only imagine how she must feel. LOL

  • SERIOUSLY

    I guess @Lolo11´s doubts just got answered… LOL Another ramp up about the whole “vacation thing”. We genuinely knew something was in the works, didn´t we? How ridiculously predictable… Also… can´t believe the “stans” on social media are actually starting rumors about a “marriage” because Zac is wearing a ring… Are they serious? JMO

  • Kitkat

    Not too keen on this new role

    http://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/zac-efron-joins-james-franco-disaster-artist/

    its like he takes everything they offer because he wants to be cool. i guess neighbors 2 will be a true testament as to whether him working with them continuously is a good idea.

    i mean jlaw has now had backlash for constantly working with DOR and Cooper the past – i dunno – century it feels like. Cooper has had 3 movies flop this year. Yes 3, but i doubt the public even heard of them. Which is why im rolling my eyes over Zac working with these two again.

    • Maria

      I agree! I said years ago, that Zac did not appeal to guys, unless gay, and that was a problem. He didn’t help himself with the sappy romance movies, so now he is doing raunchy guy flicks. Not really surprised, but he has to be careful. As far as JLaw, honestly, i am tired of her. I don’t want to see the same actors cast over and over. Hollywood lacks originality these days and it’s casting is getting stale too, IMO.

      • Kitkat

        couldnt agree more. i remember being so hyped for jlaw when hunger games first came out but now shes just so blah. Great actress but seeing her in everything makes me think she is 2 dimensional. i noticed that harvey weinstein picks up these fun/cute young actresses, puts them in the forefront to the point where the public is sick of them and gets another girl. jlaws big fame game may already be coming to a close which is unfortunate especially only being in her 20s but thats hollywood.

  • SERIOUSLY

    Just a random post… a bit off topic… but I just went through the other thread to catch up and it is just madness… This random person going after people over there in the meanest ways just keeps on commenting away despite having been reported to the moderators by multiple people, while there are so many posts by others like @Just My PO, @OK and @Lala (those are the most recent ones I have seen) that are apparently in moderation now without even including bad stuff. That´s just so incredible strange, despite the fact that all this name-calling is just ludicrous. JMO

    • What a laugh

      I complained months ago how many of my comments were going into moderation over and over again. Or my comment would be there and suddenly it would be gone. But nobody else seemed to be having problems like that at the time so I’m not sure people believed me when I did mention my struggles.

      • SERIOUSLY

        I think it didn’t have anything to do with not believing you when you said that. I’ve had posts go into pending before myself or not show up right away. The not showing up right away, I do think, appears because it takes time to process the posts once a certain number per thread is reached. And the pending can even happen if Disqus confuses abbreviations, etc for cusses or words that are usually not supposed to be used. But the moderation part and it now happening to so many and only after the posts originally and initially showed is just strange to me. I did believe you when you were talking about pending posts, so did others, but I do have to say that seeing posts actually being “taken down” after they have been posted is something I hadn’t seen happening in this way and to so many people at once especially because like you have also said before about your own posts, they didn’t really disobey the rules. I just hadn’t seen the “moderation” thing this frequently before. If this is what happened to you in that way and possibly others too that is just weird as well.

  • SERIOUSLY

    Well.. I just saw the first German trailer for Dirty Grandpa… which includes some new footage. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=674k5JXYUBU&feature=youtu.be) And I honestly have to say… I don´t like it at all. I had second-hand embarrassing throughout 90% of it, tbh… even more so than when I watched the English ones before… I mean, I´m sure we all figured that this movie seems to be based around the question how naked can Zac get in a movie, how often can he get as close to being naked as possible and how much profanity can be thrown around… honeslty… that´s exactly what it seems to be… and only that. So sad to say that, and I´m not a prude or anything by any means… I just find it so sad that this is what it has come down to. It´s definitely not a movie I´d see if it wasn´t for Zac and as I already said on the other thread before as well, this one I am not planning on seeing at all solely for Zac this time either because of his stupid antics. I guess we´ll see how it´s gonna do, but to me the movie just doesn´t look good. Opposite actually.

    • What a laugh

      Yeah, I said the exact same thing on the other board a couple months ago. Zac might as well be a woman who is being exploited for her body. But the bad thing is, he seems to do it without any qualms if he thinks that’s will get more people to go see his movies. He should see by now his n*ked body is not even putting female but+s in the theater seats much less male ones!! And I for one get extremely turned off with constant profanity as if most people simply talk that way on a regular basis.

      • SERIOUSLY

        I agree with you on all of the above. I can actually say that many, many fans that have been around for a while, not just us on the board, are getting annoyed and frustrated by Zac only being sold as this shirtless hunk. Many fans have started to question Zac´s role choices and many have come to wonder how they are supposed to take Zac as an actor seriously anymore. It´s not just us on the boards. I never got the whole profanity 24/7 thing, either. Like I said above, I´m not a prude by any means and many people do swear more than others and yeah, obviously for comedies reality is usually more than over-exaggerated… I do have a rather “male sense of humor”, too, if that´s a thing and makes sense. You know rather a “raunchy” sense of humor. But this is just too much, even IMO. I don´t really get why constantly using profanity all throughout a movie and getting “naked” is what these movies (and I guess Zac at this point too) apparently consider the only (and most important) thing to create a funny movie. It´s just sad. I do understand that most of the projects Zac gets offered these days are most likely these types of movies based on his personal and professional situation. And maybe they (his team and Zac) want him to just work something/anything at this point. I also get the whole “shifting audiences part” and trying to appear “cool, edgy and funny” but I mean… are these movies really gonna be the way to go? I for my part think it would be smarter on so many levels to not accept every single offer like that and hold out for better ones. In the meantime there would be lots of opportunity to actually work on his personal situation some more and maybe get some better projects developed for his company too. I also get that Zac can´t take himself and his image too seriously… that´s ok and making fun of himself once in a while is alright. I just don´t get how he thinks letting himself get exploited and be degraded like that, because IMO, that´s what it is too, is the right way to go. Personally, and I know I have said this on here before. I think a big part of this situation is probably his professional situation and choices. BUT I also think his personal antics as well as the stuff that goes down in his “private” life on social media, etc… prevent many people from paying attention to him as an actor and taking him seriously. I think if he would take the time to work on that situation properly, that would be a huge step in the right direction and if he then also continued working on some more “adult” projects… I do think he could still turn it around. I don´t think it means he has to stop doing comedies all together either. He just needs to pick better written ones and have them be a once in a while thing, not an “only” thing, you know. JMO on it and I guess maybe Zac just isn´t ready to “grow up” in more ways than one or they have just “given up” (at least for now).

    • Maria

      Amen. His film choices as well as his life choices led me to get critical of him YEARS ago, not out of “hate”, but concern over where he was trying to go with his career. His penchant for stripping in his movies will pigeonhole him into “boy toy” roles, and I see this as a problem for him. I truly believe he needs to be more particular about his choices, instead of constantly wanting to work. First off, people will tire of him in stupid movies. Second, quality is always better than quantity. I never thought he should do DG. The premise is so stupid and I am not sure who this will appeal to. I know most of you liked WAYF, but I never thought it would fly. He is NOT liked by men in general, and no one would buy Zac as a DJ. Women did not see potential stripping in that film to go see it. He’s really walking a fine line right now. Years ago, I said he would have been better off doing ensemble roles in GOOD movies instead of his need to do starring roles in sappy movies. He would have established better acting chops and been seen more favorably by better directors. The starring roles would have come when he earned them. I suppose there’s no going back now, but he does need to make better choices. Neighbors 1, Neighbors2, and Dirty Grandpa are not going to do much for him career wise; just money in the bank.

      • SERIOUSLY

        Thanks. I think, you know WAYF really was a good movie and his acting was great. It wasn´t uber innovative but it was entertaining nevertheless… it could have done well, but I think a few things went wrong… First of all I do think they marketed it wrong and they kind of messed up with the first trailer. That one turned off A LOT of potential audience, IMO. I also do think the whole promo process was paid attention to on, for example Zac´s account, too late. Instead of promoting the movie earlier they kept on pushing this BS “relationship” and it took THEIR focus off the movie promotion. I also do think that like you said many people weren´t interested in seeing Zac´s acting in that. I do think because of that he isn´t doing himself any favors by pushing this kind of thing forward either. I completely agree that he is at a difficult point right now. He needs to be very careful about the whole thing. I do think he could still turn it around if he really did focus on his personal issues to get a better reputation again as far as that goes, and pick more quality projects. I do think if he wants to turn it around he needs an re-invention. I can say that, like I said above, even those fans that have been around for a long time outside of this board are getting frustrated that he sells for this Kind of stuff only now. With Baywatch in the near future… things aren´t really looking like they are changing any time soon either, I guess. You are right about those movies, even though to me DG isn´t even a safe bet in the money department either. He definitely needs to make better choices, and if necessary say “no” more and wait for something great. I wish he would at least use “Ninjas Running Wild” for developing those kind of quality projects, but with TAM and DG on their resumé now… it just sucks because we know how much potential there is… yet all this is so frustrating. JMO

        • Maria

          Very frustrating indeed. A reputation for being just a pretty face and jacked body, is difficult to overcome, just like a Disney rep. It took Matthew McConanaughey YEARS to overcome the rom-com, eye candy, pretty boy reputation. I know that’s what some like to see, but I truly believe Zac set out to do more with his career. I think more roles like Parkland, Paperboy, and even WAYF, should be what he concentrates on at this point. He will make less money for awhile, but he has plenty for now, and the refocus on his path would be well worth it!

          • SERIOUSLY

            THIS! I could not agree with you more on everything you said. Refocus and reinvention would be SO good, I think not just for Zac’s career but also for him personally.

          • What a laugh

            Yes, he needs to bide his time for a while and hold out for a better role. I have said for a long time that he’s insecure and tries too hard to prove himself. I think he expects so much of himself that he would feel like he was some kind of a “B” actor if he didn’t star in a movie he was making. After having so much attention and adulation heaped upon him for so many years doesn’t help him either. He definitely needs to take some time and reinvent himself. He would also appear more “mature” if he made some changes in my opinion.

      • OK

        Great post and I agree with everything you said here.

    • OK

      I agree with u 100%. I was so sad to see the German trailer for “Dirty Grandpa”. On Zac being naked I really hate how it looks in the movie too. ( He is more than just a body) but at least we know while filming he was wearing underwear that they were able to digitalize out of the pic.. Still looks gross and we know his body double was nude.
      BTW great post.

      • SERIOUSLY

        Thanks and I agree with everything you said here too.

        • What a laugh

          LOL when it comes to “flesh-colored” underwear that they edit out. Zac might as well be buck naked since it is made to APPEAR that he is. Heck, his double is and he is used to make everyone THINK it is Zac, so does that make Zac think he is somehow virtuous? Look at the movies he is picking. Look at the content of those movies! Does he think people are actually saying “Zac doesn’t do n*de scenes because he has self-respect and is serious about what he does”? It is hard to know where any truth starts and the sham begins these days with him.

          • SERIOUSLY

            You are right in that it doesn´t make that much of a difference at the end of the day. The content/context of the movie and the role he chose remains the same whether he is actually naked or just made to look that way and it just isn´t good. (I have even seen some people think that he actually is.) I think at the very least we know it´s CGI. It doesn´t change anything about the opinions, etc, though. JMO

      • Maria

        It’s awful that JJ posted all those stupid pics. I think it’s a big turn off for many intelligent theatre goers, and can affect box office negatively. Risky move, to be honest. I look at those pics, and think, “wow, what a dumb movie.”

  • OK

    Wanted to wish everyone a Blessed weekend and to say how happy I am that as of yesterday afternoon Zac was still not in San Francisco with Sami.

  • Maria

    Just saying, the level of disgust I have for a particular poster on the other board is very high right now. I think she is either Sami herself or a friend of hers. Disgusting.

    • SERIOUSLY

      Same. I know this place was supposed to be a neutral zone but I agree it is disgusting and the fact that they aren’t even ashamed of their behavior but proud is even more disgusting. There is no reasoning with people like this, though. I just hope that @Ok and everyone else knows what this person is saying comes from a sad place and is nowhere near the truth and purely disgusting in regards to what they say about the posters. As for who this person is… I accidentally stumbled upon a Twitter profile in Sami’s comment section on the Christmas tree pic she posted the other day. The profile caught my attention because they were referring to our thread and once I clicked on it, the poster was using the same language (same foul one) and the same pictures to bully @lauren this poster initially had in their profile pic. They also referred to our thread more than once screencapturing comments from over there and tweeting it at Sami and Zac. So I am 90% sure it is the same person, tbh. I could be wrong, but if I am right then this person is, from their Twitter, a Sami stan at the very least. I wasn’t gonna say anything because I wasn’t sure if it was right when I am not completely sure, but I am 90% sure it is the same person now. I guess it doesn’t really matter either who this person is, if they would argue and discuss fairly and respectfully all would be ok. Fact is: what they say is disgusting and not justified at all. JMO

      • What a laugh

        I think when someone is this disgusting anyone with an ounce of moral fiber KNOWS what kind of person the poster is. Most of these kinds of people usually hang themselves if they are given enough rope. Usually these people get tired if they get absolutely no attention whatsoever. But this person does get responses too much and will stay around because of it, trust me.

        • SERIOUSLY

          Yeah, I know.

    • What a laugh

      Yeah, I’m having some serious questions as to what is going on with Disqus right now. Many are having problems having just normal everyday comments posted but this person gets always with saying the most lewd disgusting things. This morning I tried posting a normal comment in reply to @Just My PO and it went into pending. Later I posted it as a new comment saying it had been held earlier and it went through. So what’s the deal with that?

      When no me or whatever got her comments deleted the other day I figured maybe—just maybe—all the flagged comments finally caught up with her and the moderators finally got rid of her. Then suddenly she started posting under her original name again—names4u or whatever it is. So, I have been flagging all these comments hoping this name will also catch up with her or whatever happened to her newer name comments. But I’d think the ISP address would be flagged with the moderators so they’d check her more recent comments too. It is clearly the same person.

  • OK

    I think that new racist person on the “Zac Efon Exercise “post is the same hateful person ( names4u) I think she is using that language and Icon to try and get JJjr or Disqus to shut it down JMO

    • SERIOUSLY

      I’m pretty sure I know who this names4u person is on Twitter (Sami also favorited a Tweet from that person only yesterday) and like I said on here before I think if it really is that person on Twitter (pretty sure it is) then she is at the very least a Sami stan. I am not sure if this “new” person is the same one though. If it is then it most definitely is a strategy and you could be right. This names4u person has flat out lied multiple times if I am right about their Twitter (which isn’t surprising) and it honestly wouldn’t surprise me if they were behind this. But it does sound more like the same commenter that commented on the most recent CDAN blind. JMO I will admit that I “slipped” about replying to that person early this morning. I was tired and I told them that these racist parols are stupid and they are wrong if they think they can drag us into this kind of name calling. I know it was stupid to reply… I was tired and these kind of things just made me slip… I deleted my reply a few moments later… Anyway..long story short… I most definitely do not want to be associated with this person in ANY way. I think @What a laugh suggested changing threads again also and I think with everything that is happening over there it wouldn’t be the worst idea. I know we won’t “get rid” of these people but yeah, I think it could also help with the comments that go into moderation, etc.

      • What a laugh

        If we could choose a thread to go to and then inform all the regulars that would be fine. But Lauren is a regular and she is all over the net. It would only be a short time before someone like this terrible person to follow her to the new thread one way or another. And if not that way, they would be able to locate us just through the number of comments we accumulate. A person could just go through the Zac threads and eventually see the thread that is suddenly getting increasing numbers of posts. However, if a thread had less numbers we might not have as much trouble with moderation of our posts.

    • What a laugh

      Yeah, I think it is the same person. Plus, look who she went for immediately—Lauren. She did that because she knew Lauren could not resist engaging in a debate which would mean she could make one outrageous comment after another. She knew in the process that she would get a comment here and there from someone else. But it is her wording that is a dead give away of how she is just being almost facetious. With comments like ” I’ve been to many sites trying to get hate started, etc” says she isn’t really serious she just wants to pull everyone’s chain. And then centering everything on the fact Sami is “black” is just laughable. Too bad someone can’t point out Sami is as much WHITE as she is black and I want to say how I use certain terms to describe trashy WHITE people too! She wants it to look like everything we say that is negative in regards to Sami is “code” for calling someone the n word. There is no talking to this person—and that is what she is going for, someone to engage her in conversation. She just wants to stir up trouble—possibly in order to have that thread shut down by Disqus.

    • Maria

      That poster is disturbing. I could not finish reading those comments. No one has ever expressed dislike for Miro because of her race here. Ever.

  • SERIOUSLY

    Ok… I´m not sure anyone still checks on this post and this probably isn´t relevant at all, I wasn´t even sure if I should post about it… but I just needed to get this off my chest… so I apologize and maybe it´s stupid and I will delete this again later or you want to just skip this post… I kept saying I think I know who our “special friend” over on the other thread is on Twitter… and from a conversation between this person on Twitter and a Sami stan, which I saw today… I´m not surprised at anything that was happening over at the other thread anymore.
    https://twitter.com/tvcole I´m pretty sure this is the person… as I said before I accidentally stumbled upon this account in the comments on one of Sami´s pics where they were tweeting at her directly referring to our other thread, so I checked out the profile… LOL Anyway, sorry again… just had to get this off my chest.

    • Lolo11

      I still check in ????

      • SERIOUSLY

        Me too. :)

        • Lolo11

          I haven’t posted in a while, just cos there is not much to say about it anymore, it all seems so pointless really as all it has achieved with me is that I don’t really like who he is now ????

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yeah, I definitely relate… I have held back on posting much also. For one because like you said, there´s just not too much stuff to add anymore since it´s the same old, same old BS all the time and at this point I´m just not too hopeful things will change any time soon for the better, so like you said it´s become kind of pointless… I´m also currently stuck with Uni, with finals coming up and papers to write, etc… so yeah… the other reason I haven´t been commenting much is because I am with what @IMO and others said about their own reasoning for not posting also about not wanting to give them hits, etc, plus it´s just such a mess over there… anyway… I understand what you mean too well.

          • Lolo11

            I still have my suspicions and I can’t remember her name – the one that fell out with @ok

          • SERIOUSLY

            Not 100% sure what you are referring to? Sorry…

          • Lolo11

            The lady who wanted to meet z and asked OK to set it up.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Oh, @Emily?

          • Lolo11

            Yes that her, just seem like she was so angry and verbal about it and has now gone. Still wondering if those names are her?

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yeah, I get what you mean… I have started to wonder if this new Guest person over on the other thread has something to do with her, but I don´t think these other names like “names…”, have anything to do with her. JMO

          • Lolo11

            I’m definitely with you on the guest – they seem to answer straight to OK.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yeah, that´s what I thought too and saying some of the same things also…

          • Lolo11

            Yep she was a very angry young lady, almost to angry and I am not taking sides on anything that happened there but it just went on too long and still seems to be.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yeah, I definitely know what you mean and I am with you on what you say.

          • What a laugh

            I have wondered that myself in some cases and it could be. But not all of them are. When some people see “the truth” about some they are knocked so much for a loop they just totally walk away without looking back. And I have always said I stand by what I’ve said.

          • Lolo11

            I understand that and there’s nothing wrong with being p@33ed about it but in the end I felt that we was all suffering for business that was between them.

          • What a laugh

            Are you talking about Me or Emily? We both had big falling outs with OK.

          • Lolo11

            Lol Emily, she was very vocal about it…..continually. It got to much in the end.

          • What a laugh

            Yeah, she really went overboard in the end. But that is what happens when you put so much faith in someone and then the truth ends up really kicking you in the pants really hard. She was kind of living in a fantasy world.

    • Lolo11

      Wow I jus checked that out, this person is still doing screen shots of that thread.

      • SERIOUSLY

        Yes, they are. And sending it to Zac and Sami’s twitter and interacting/telling every stan too. No wonder what is happening over there, IMO…

        • Lolo11

          I saw, it’s a mess on that thread now – open to all the nuts and now we know why.

          • What a laugh

            I still come to this thread and check it out when someone has posted. I get notification through my email. Am I correct that someone does a screenshot of Lauren’s comments and sends them to Sami? It seemed like someone was warning Sami that she was going to be at her party. The person doing the screen shot must be crazy.

            But while I am here I am going to say I may not post on the other thread too much again if ever because for one thing all I want to do is yell at Lauren for her constant questions over and over, her constant flip-flopping in her comments and ideas about Sami, her rudeness—you name it. She causes a great deal of grief on that thread because she is EVERYWHERE on the Internet where she does all the same things. Yes, she may have her problems but those problems only create huge problems on the other site.

            Secondly, there are a couple things going on on the other site that I have been aware of for a long time but was so obvious the other day. Other than one other person that I know of on the site seeing the same thing as me nobody seems to be picking up on it. And I would just be the bad guy if I pointed it out. Since I don’t wish to have a fight—and it isn’t worth it—I’m not saying anything.

            Thirdly, as you say, there isn’t much to comment on anyway. It is just the same old thing all the time and I certainly don’t like what Zac has regrettably has become. I wish he would break out and show he wants to be different but I think he is too embroiled in the likes of Hollywood now with no morals, etc. and I personally just don’t “feel” it anymore after all these years. So many have fallen by the wayside when it comes to Zac—even some of the biggest Vanessa stans have been lost along the way. And there certainly is more to life than following the lives of these Hollywood actors who all seem overly pampered if big stardom hits them. Then they don’t seem to think morals or ethics or standards apply to them anymore.

          • Lolo11

            I get very confused with the other thread and half the time m just not so sure anymore seems a lot of effort for some PR?

            I agree thou a lot of the issues are Lauren related it is frustrating for sure.

          • SERIOUSLY

            I know I am probaby in the minority here at this point, but I still believe that it is PR only. Like @Just My PO said, it really isn´t much effort if you think about it, tbh. And their lack of ANY chemistry is just strange if they were to supposedly be anything more. They barely look like friends most of the time, at least IMO. However, I´ve said this from the start and I still say this now… the major problems lie within Zac. As long as he doesn´t want to change for the better and grow up to take responsibility, Sami is gonna be around, no matter what she is to him. And even with Sami out of the picture eventually it doesn´t automatically mean he is going to be better or has made that decision right away either. She is replaceable and Zac has more weights than just her to rid himself of if he truly wants or decides to commit to sobriety… which sadly, at the moment I fear we might be waiting on for a really long time. JMO

          • Lolo11

            I agree that it is PR you are correct they don’t seem friends half the time, but I am still leaning on him not bring straight – which makes me the minority lol

          • SERIOUSLY

            LOL get it. ;) (and yeah, I do believe he is straight… but it´s all good.)

          • Lolo11

            Lol, tbh it doesn’t matter to me either way. I see what they played out over the last couple of weeks probably worked in the favour of DG.

          • Lolo11

            I mean about Zac not your comment.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yes, and same. ;) TBH, it might have done well at the BO but it was more than a disaster with critics… it got ripped to shreds by every single respectable critic and outlet… which is not good at all either. I still do believe that Zac being supposedly naked (even if we know there were occassions when it wasn´t even real in the movie) got a lot of people in the theater as well as DeNiro being a part of it… And I honestly think @Ok was right about them not having a premiere because they didn´t want critic reviews out until after the release because I do really believe that the reviews and the whole promo did stop some people from going. I also saw a bunch of Zac fans being disappointed in the movie and getting frustrated with all of this more and more. They most certainly gave “stans” what they wanted with all the “Sami promo” and rewarded her for her stupid mess up on his socials… but that´s all forgotten for the stans already… so I guess at least for those whatever they were trying to do, worked…. LOL

          • Lolo11

            Yep, do you think he’s just taking what he can?

          • SERIOUSLY

            Movie-wise? Yeah, I kind of think those are the kind of projects he gets mostly offered at this point, because of his private problems and what he portrays himself as “professionally” also. I´ve had a long convo about all this with @Maria on here a little while ago when the DG trailer or was it Neighbors 2 trailer? Not too sure, one of those… dropped… I said that I think if he wants to turn it around he needs a re-invention, like really focus on his personal issues to get a better reputation again as far as that goes, and pick more quality projects, say no more often again and be more patient to wait for better things. With Baywatch in the near future… things aren´t really looking like they are changing any time soon either, I guess. I wish he would at least use “Ninjas Running Wild” for developing those kind of quality projects, but with TAM and DG on their resumé now… it just sucks because we know how much potential there is… I for my part think it would be smarter on so many levels to not accept every single offer like that and hold out for better ones. In the meantime there would be lots of opportunity to actually work on his personal situation some more and maybe get some better projects developed for his company too. I also get that Zac can´t take himself and his image too seriously… that´s ok and making fun of himself once in a while is alright. I just don´t get how he thinks letting himself get exploited and be degraded like that, because IMO, that´s what it is too, is the right way to go. I think if he would take the time to work on that situation properly, that would be a huge step in the right direction and if he then also continued working on some more “adult” projects… it could be good. I do think with DG the chance of working with DeNiro may have tempted him to take it also… but overall in general, yeah, I do think he is taking this stuff because it is mostly what he is offered now, I think he either does so because he is still just “having fun with it” or they just want him to work on anything at this point… JMO

          • Lolo11

            I wish he would get his teeth into so ending a bit more serious, he was fabulous in The Paperboy.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Agreed.

          • What a laugh

            I replied to something similar on the other board some days ago but just now had time to mention it on here. As Just My PO pointed out on the other thread, addiction is expensive. As Zac continues to party he is using his money for “substances”. There have been more than a couple celebs who have gone through their fortunes because of their addictions. Then with Zac continued problems his money goes out to “coverup” the problems in many cases—how much money has gone out to Sami that could have been put in his pocket or to better use? THEN if he gets smart enough some of his money has gone to pay for rehabs—which isn’t cheap. Plus, if he goes the private route that is more expensive. Unfortunately the boy has to keep the money coming in. And on a side note I think the situation Zac is in—Hollywood people know perfectly well there are possible problems when it comes to Zac, remember even Max Joseph mentioned it in an interview—he doesn’t want to fall off the work radar for too long or producers/directors may think he isn’t able to work. So all in all, he needs to have constant money which means he must take projects even he may not like. But he was probably afraid to pass something up which had the likes of DeNiro involved.

          • SERIOUSLY

            I totally agree and yes, I remember the interview with Max also.

          • What a laugh

            Yeah, I believe they used some of the garbage to work in favor of DG.

          • Lolo11

            Yep and we have got N2 to get through next – im wondering if they will bring a premiere to Europe again?

          • What a laugh

            I could say a few things but it would only stir up some problems so I will keep this in a generic way. Zac is not gay. However, I have good reason to believe that he may have gotten himself into some problems—whether he got involved with actually doing something or almost doing something which looks like he did something which there may be some kind of proof—which would make people believe he is gay. But these things were the result of his being “messed up”. Now he is paying for it over and over again. As I keep saying, IF there is some kind of proof like pictures of Zac doing any kind of questionable thing—just him doing hard drugs n to or something like that—it will eventually come out. He will be bled to death money wise and then when these people who are using him get enough it will STILL come out. Somebody needs to be brought in who knows how to take the bull by the horns where Zac comes clean but still knows how to turn it in his favor! Frankly I could do it! But Zac gets deeper and deeper into the mess. Plus, if he has not made a definite decision to try to clean up for good—having to deal with slips, etc—then he can’t afford to come clean. And quite frankly I don’t think Zac wants to be completely clean 100% of the time. I think he still wants to party with the booze and the drugs when he is on his own time. He just hasn’t gotten it that when it comes to addiction that HE IS NOT GOING TO BE THE ONE CALLING THE SHOTS OR THE WHEN OR WHERE’s.

          • Lolo11

            This makes more sense to me, I know something very dark has happened for all this cover up, i guess that’s why I always sway to the opinion because I think he would be afraid that it would do his career damage. Like I said it would matter to me either way, but to a lot of people it would.

          • SERIOUSLY

            But here is the thing… I really do not think it would matter AS much. Sure it would be a topic for a while but if it came from him and he owned up to it, taking responsibilty it would be much better recieved, IMO. He could move on and have that lesson learned. There are always gonna be people who won´t get it, they are there now and they will be there forever and anywhere… but he just needs to stop being so afraid of what it might do. He did it and he needs to own up to it and bear the consequences. Honestly, I think to many, many of his fans whatever it is wouldn´t matter much at all… I know it wouldn´t matter to me either, etc… but what is much worse is all this lying, him clearly being so miserable and not dealing with his issues. I honestly and genuinely think that this is much worse than whatever else. I also really do not think his career would suffer THAT much… there is usually always a way… doesn´t mean it will be easy or that things are just gonna go on like they did but there is a way to work it out… with the right people by his side, professionally and privately. And maybe I am being naive in my thinking, but I really feel that way… I also still do think that him getting away from “Hollywood” for a while and really focusing on himself and his health for a while would do wonders for him… JMO

          • Lolo11

            I totally agree, I just said above majority of his fans would forgive him anything and HollyWood loves a come back King, he would be fine. I also said tbh I don’t really care what he gets up to in his private life, partying, clubbing etc. He kind of should be doing those things at his age BUT what I hate is this messy PR rubbish, I find it insulting.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yeah… I agree with the first part, but I have to say I kind of disagree with the last part… As an addict if he was fully committed to being sober he shouldn´t/can´t go partying, clubbing and stuff like that all the time like he used to and stay away from people that are bad influences. That is why I do care about that, I just want him to be healthy, that´s what it was always about for me and the fakeness is a result of him not being. But that´s just me… JMO

          • Lolo11

            No I don’t think your alone there I think a lot of people agree with you, but the question I ask is, is he an addict ? Tbh the majority of HW does Coke? The whole rehab thing got him a lot of PR when he needed it the most.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yeah, I do believe he is an addict.

          • Lolo11

            I think he has issues for sure p, but I’m not sure about a full blown – I love it that we are so diverse on here, it’s always good to see and listen to different opinions.

          • SERIOUSLY

            You are right, it is always good to do that. :)

          • Lolo11

            I see from OK Vanessa dad died last night so sad.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yeah, I just saw… so incredibly sad… I really feel for her.

          • Lolo11

            Is grease tonight ?

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yes, it is, which makes this all the more hard… she tweeted that she was gonna do the show in her dad´s honor.

          • Lolo11

            Oh bless, what a difficult night this will be for her.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Absolutely, my thoughts are definitely with her tonight.

          • What a laugh

            When I was so distraught the other day when I did my comment on the other thread about Vanessa dad I just knew he was not going to make it before she did this show. I didn’t want to say it on the thread but that is one reason I felt so ill. I feel so sorry for her right now.

          • What a laugh

            But Zac has a real drinking problem and has had for a very long time. I believe he has also had problems with Coke for quite a while from stuff I have heard in past years. But the biggest thing is Zac has proved he has an addictive personality and so anything like alcohol and Coke ARE going to be a problem for him.

          • Lolo11

            I find it difficult to comprehend his problems tbh I am very naive when it comes to that world- loo to innocent.

          • What a laugh

            Yes, you are right. Unfortunately for Zac he is NEVER going to be able to go out and party like he has always done or apparently like he still wants to. But the guy is almost 30, it is time for him to take stock in himself. Everything is not either a party or work. Much of life is the in-between stuff.

          • SERIOUSLY

            100% agree with you on this!

          • What a laugh

            Totally agree but for now I have to get my mom to the ER because of some problems with her mess…and since it is Sunday there is no going to the doctor’s office.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Thank you and I hope you have a good day anyway and your mom is feeling better soon.

          • What a laugh

            Obviously I am home now. We got everything taken care of at the ER. But I am not very happy with my mom’s Doctor right now—whom we just saw this past Wednesday.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Good to hear things went ok, though. It does sound like you have a lot on your plate and I do hope that things will get better for you with all of this also.

          • What a laugh

            Thanks. On top of everything else I have been sick for two weeks and was finally able to get to the doctor on Friday to get some antibiotics—see my life is such that I have to pencil in a spot where I can be sick. But as you see that had to be put on hold due to taking care of my mom and my job, etc. But frankly, I’m running down pretty quickly here lately.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Well, hopefully you´ll feel better soon. :)

          • What a laugh

            I certainly hope so.

          • What a laugh

            I am so glad to hear someone else say they get confused about what is said on the other thread. I feel the same way. Sometimes I check all over the thread to see if I have missed some comments because some things make NO sense. But then I just think I must be TOO old. And I am in total agreement with what you say about “too much” PR going on. As I have said before, Zac must be in some seriously deep sh*t or made to believe he is for all this PR to be going on. I sometimes tell myself that he and Sami must be the real thing but before anyone ever said it was fake I “knew” with everything I was seeing, reading, and feeling that it was not a real live romance. And I think a lot of this now IS because Zac’s team as well as Zac is trying to keep from looking like we were tight on what we have said. They are trying to save face at this point. But he needs a complete overall with his team.

          • Lolo11

            Tbh I think his fans would forgive him anything and as for Hollywood everybody loves a comeback king, so I wish he would just fess up and get back to making really good films like The Paperboy. I couldn’t give a damn if he parties with his friends, he’s young and so he should be but I hust hate the fakeness you know.

          • What a laugh

            I think some would not forgive certain things because there are some people who still put him on this mountain like he is a God and will not believe anything bad or human about him. So when reality hits these kinds of people they are so hurt and feel so betrayed that they turn away from the person. But I also think there would be even more people who would hate him due to the LIES he has led people to believe. Even more people hate to feel they have been made a fool of. But then there would be others who would forgive because they know “to err is human”. He might even gain a few fans for being truthful.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yup…

        • Lolo11

          I also see what you mean about the photo of Lauren – Good detective work lol.
          I think this person is quite smart about trying to name and shame us, it’s defiantly working in that thread they are putting everything into moderation.

          • What a laugh

            I think once the comments get to be close to 1000 that the thread needs to change. The more the comments pile up the more problems that pile up.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yeah, I know what you mean… and I agree that some of the problems with Disqus even come from having too many comments… so it would be good to change threads more often…

          • SERIOUSLY

            LOL Thanks, but it was really just a coincidence and they basically gave themselves away once I clicked on the profile… I also think that, like others before said as well, this person has been commenting under multiple/different names… I even now think that the poster that was spewing racist comments on there lately might have been this person. I know others pointed that out too and I had my doubts at first because it didn´t make sense knowing this stuff… but now that I thought about it, I think they might have been doing this to shine a really bad light on the entire thread and everyone over there and get it shut down once and for all, JMO. Which is what they have been trying to do on their profile, etc also. I think @OK and @What a laugh have pointed that possibilty out before as well and I definitely think they might have very well been right.

          • What a laugh

            Yep, you are seeing ONE of the problems. And with that problem I will add, anytime you are going to have Lauren on a thread there are going to be problems…sorry if I sound mean but it is the truth.

          • SERIOUSLY

            BTW; just to clarify because you were asking about it in your comment to @Lolo11 below… this person is mainly, but not only screen shotting @lauren´s comments over on the other thread sending it to Zac and Sami´s twitter… they have been screen shotting (I´m sure you remember this “HootieHoo” person) their comments and a bunch of others. They have also been going around and from the looks of it recently started telling the 10 Sami stans to go check out the thread, explicitely… etc…

          • What a laugh

            Well, you know how that goes…likeminded people stick together. So if one Sami/”Zami” Stan gets the word then they all get the word and they all come to support each other. Then the mess begins because you know there are going to be ONE or two who will not ignore these people. But I do think the person who was really acting racist on the other site that that was all planned to make everyone there look like they didn’t like Sami because she was HALF black. They also did it because there were definitely those who did not like Vanessa years ago because she was not 100% white. It was always so stupid. Stories I could tell…

          • SERIOUSLY

            Yeah, you are absolutely right and I do agree with you on that. Nothing of what is being said abotu Sami has anything to do with her “supposed” race. If we do want to really get specific, I read on a Sami stan´s site in the beginning that she isn´t even half black, but that´s all really irrelevant and insignificant… there is really not a lot that I despise more than actual racism… and it is stupid. Anyway… yeah… you are right about the Sami/”Zami” stans also.

          • Maria

            That’s scary. It’s an invasion of privacy, really.

        • What a laugh

          See my comments to Lolo11.

    • What a laugh

      See my I got to run but see my last comment to SeriouslyConcerned—I’m not tagging anyone here. I am not trying yo cause trouble but there is something fishy going on and I can’t believe anyone else hasn’t “caught” a few things in the past week which just doesn’t sound “right”. T is like speaking double-mindedly. This kind of think makes me ill. Me hinting at it here is probably what has put me on the sh:t list again and am not “worthy” of a reply. LOL sorry, just had to let it out somewhere so overlook me…

    • What a laugh

      I was a bit confused by this comment when you posted it but I went to the link but I never can understand half of what these people are talking about so I just let it go. When I out spoke about “our friend” from the other thread, were you referring to names4you? I’m pretty sure I KNOW who it is. The possible reveal came to me quite by accident last night… I am thisclose to reading her the riot act BUT believe me that would only open up another stinky can of worms.

      • SERIOUSLY

        I´m sorry for the confusion, but yeah, that was who I was referring to.

    • Lolo11

      Hey hope you are still around. Seems like things are starting to get interesting.

      • SERIOUSLY

        Hey, thank you for the heads up and yeah, I saw the news. I think it can be a step in the right direction for Zac and I am relieved that at least this part is over now, but I am waiting to see if he will actually follow that right direction in other aspects too before I return to the “main” back thread, IF I do. I think Zac is in a better place at this moment, but IMO the real “challenge” will be once he is off set again and away from that fairly “controlled” environment. To me that is when it will show if he has actually learned his lesson and is more serious about making the necessary changes to continue in that better path again. I am holding out for more signs for that, if that makes sense. Hopefully it´s somewhat understandable. Anyway, thanks a lot again for thinking of me and for the heads up.

        • Lolo11

          No worries – I agree and I am kind of on the same level (just hovering in the background), that it will speak volumes when he is away from BW and mainly “The Rock”. Its not the first time he has been strongly influenced by his co starts but then goes back to his old ways when they are gone. But we can only wait (positively) that its onwards and upwards from here lol – Take care.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Thank you and I totally agree with you, that´s why I am waiting right now and hoping like you too. As relieved as I am that this part is over, I just think it can be a step in the right direction if he makes it one, but it´s not the automatic solution to all of his problems. Don´t get me wrong, I am so glad he seems to be doing better for now, but there´s still a bit to go to convince me that he really is serious about changing his ways as harsh as that may sound. So I am holding out for that and hoping for the best once he gets away from BW again. Anyway, thank you again and take care. x

      • SERIOUSLY

        Hey… I don´t know if you still check here or even if you still post at all. Hope you´re doing ok, though and maybe you´re still around here. I just wanted to let you know that since we last spoke and things are currently at the stage I mentioned as a more telling or “decisive” point for me: (Zac being away from the Baywatch set for a while now and things being more “uncontrolled” for him again) I decided (as of now) to not come back to the “main” thread at all. For a few reasons, firstly because I still don´t see enough signs for the necessary shift in Zac´s mindset very much… in terms of other changes… in fact the recent news and things I´ve seen, etc (and yeah, maybe I am over-reacting and being melo-dramatic/pessimistic) rather lean towards what I was afraid would happen at this stage, IMO and secondly because of other things that I don´t feel are necessary to go into here much because they are not necessarily in regards to Zac. Anyway… just thought I would let you know, not that it matters much anyway, but just because when we last spoke I said I would wait to see how things develop from there on and we´re there now. So yeah… hope you are doing well and take care. x

        • Lolo11

          Hey you, good to hear from you x
          I totally get it, I still check in most days but I don’t have anything to say anymore. I lost So much respect for him with all the PR rubbish so now I just read out of interest.
          You know he is who he is, he works hard and he plays hard. He’s not the kid from HSM anymore – those days are gone and I accept that now.
          In his defence though I didn’t think he looked stoned at that battle game thing, I think it’s easy for people to just assume he was smoking because others were, he looked fine to me.

          Do you think Ryan R is that bad? I’m not to sure, I mean I don’t know much about there history but he doesn’t seem that bad?

          • SERIOUSLY

            Hey, thanks and totally get what you mean about the loss of respect. I think for me personally I just wish he would get in a mindset where he doesn´t need any substances or those kinds of people anymore, but in all honesty I don´t expect it to change anymore at least not now. I am still of the opinion that he would need to get distance from all of this for a longer while i.e. take a break from Hollyweird and learn that there is peace in yourself for that to happen but I don´t see that happening now anyway. I know he´s not a “kid” anymore and that´s fine. I don´t even want him to be… I wish he would just get to a certain point with his mind… where he doesn´t need all that. But anyway, personally… if you ask me, yes… I do think Ryan is bad news (like some of the other “Ninjas” too). History wise from what I know and heard, he got Zac in trouble so many times in the past, has stabbed him in the back and used him to his own advantage and I think he still does and at the same time tries really hard to be like Zac and IMO, he doesn´t care about Zac´s situation with substances either. I don´t think he is a good friend or support for Zac, but yeah. As for E3… the pictures were fine and I´m not just going by those but by the interviews I saw (and I do think he acted off there) and even Jamie Foxx allured to Wiz Khalifa helping them “keeping things smooth” in one… there´s a few other things, but yeah. I know people say he didn´t get caught, but it´s not the same as not doing it and the only one that was really “caught” was Snoop and he wasn´t even trying to hide it. And in all honesty even if it was “just” a contact high, I just wish he would know better by now. Anyway… that´s that… it is what it is and I personally just don´t feel like that is something I wanna support anymore or have the energy to put up with it now. It´s fine, I get it´s just my opinion and I understand if you or anyone else thinks I am being overly dramatic or anything, I know I don´t have any inside knowledge and all… it´s just my opinion. So I hope you can somehow understand and I thank you again and if this post does sound a bit harsh, I apologize… it´s not in any way directed to sound harsh to you or anything… Take care x

          • Lolo11

            Hey again, you don’t sound harsh at all, it’s hard to get your thoughts and feelings down I think as people read into things in different ways.

            I understand your opinion. I’m just at the point is where he’s just a idiot and I don’t care like I used to. I find him quite a turn off sometimes mainly because of the falseness – what he portrays is what’s not really happening.

            I never knew that stuff about Ryan, he is also someone that portrays something else then.

            I hope you are ok, you sound a bit fed up x

          • SERIOUSLY

            Thanks and yeah, I totally get what you mean and where you´re coming from too. I understand. I think I am in a very similar spot as you at the moment. I´m sorry if I sound fed up, it´s not meant to be directed at you or anything and I hope you didn´t feel that it was. I´m just a bit fed up with certain things around Zac, this “fandom”, , etc… I guess I haven´t really had a chance to really talk about this in length and kinda bottled it up a bit, if that makes sense… and then on top things in the world aren´t the greatest over all either with everything that has been happening lately… some of these things just affected me a bit and it´s just a bit troubling, I guess. I am personally ok, though, just have a lot of thoughts on my mind at the moment. Hope you are doing well too, though. x

          • Lolo11

            I’m fine thanks x

            It’s good to get it out sometimes, and you are not the only most of us do not comment anymore and there’s not much to say anywhere lol.

            D you think the Sami business is finished ? Or are they just laying low?

          • SERIOUSLY

            True and glad you´re good. As for Sami… I mean, I still think it was only PR and all… and I 100% think that´s done with for good. I´ve seen her still use his name and I don´t think that will change any time soon as I´m sure that she wants to ride on those coattails for as long as possible. But I definitely think Zac is done with it now. JMO

          • Lolo11

            I hope she’s out of the pcture now. She was awful.
            Just wait him really for what’s next really after the MADNWD think things may go quiet?

          • SERIOUSLY

            I personally still think it was PR and business only, honestly. But I mean we can agree to disagree, that´s completely fine. x

          • Lolo11

            I’m so naive when it comes to Hollywierd, I find it so difficult to get my head around the stuff you know.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Oh it´s fine, I get that. I just read an article online earlier today where a paparazzo was interviewed about the staging of pics/candids and how it´s a daily business and all that. It pretty much sums up so much of what we have seen and people have said on these threads for a while now. It only talks about pictures/candids shot by paps but yeah, it was quite interesting to read. As for the other stuff, Hollyweird does a lot of things that would be unimaginable to people outside of it, I guess and to be honest in the modern age with social media faking a “relationship” isn´t that hard anymore. Like I said above, I may not have any inside knowledge in particular, but I do believe @Just My PO knows what she is talking about when it comes to that and I agree with a lot she said… and it being pure business between them is what goes with my own observations too, so yeah. I don´t know, personally I don´t really find it too hard to imagine, especially not after everything I have learned in my studies of PR at Uni this semester too, when we talked about a PR manager in Hollywood and to what lengths they went even back in the day, before awareness of PR was even as big as today. But like I said, I get what you´re saying and you don´t have to agree with my opinion, if you feel differently, that´s totally fine, it´s just my thoughts.

          • Lolo11

            See I’m so naive lol. I’m one of these people that magazines love because I believe everything written lol!
            I bet being a PR manager in HW is big bucks especially if you are good.

          • SERIOUSLY

            Don´t worry about it, LOL and yeah, I´m sure “good” PR managers can make big bucks.

  • Lolo11

    I wonder how long it will be before they find this thread?

    • What a laugh

      Not long if some get ahold of it.

  • What a laugh

    I know I sound stupid but what exactly was everyone freaking out about with Sami and something she said about Vanessa or some 12 year old girl? Clearly I do not follow anything that Sami is involved with. LOL

    • SERIOUSLY

      Sami posted a screenshot of a message she received from a “fan”, the 12 yo girl, lwho sent her racist comments and a picture of a black doll and the fan holding a knife to the doll’s neck. At the bottom of the pic you could also see that this fan sent in another message saying that Vanessa was better because she was white. She bashed the fan, etc. Later Sami made a second post about it on Twitter saying how “racism is not tolerated”and thanking her “stans” for the support. Then after that a few hours later she made a third post basically reposting what she said about the message on Instagram. I don’t know if freaking out was the right description most of us just thought she went overboard and could have handled it differently. The message the person sent to her was obviously terrible and intollerable but it just could have been handled in a better way. Not sure if that made any sense… If not, the posts are still on her Twitter.

      • What a laugh

        I thought about changing my term of “freaking out” thinking it might be taken wrong but when I was much younger that term was used so much that it didn’t seem all that important. LOL I didn’t really think anyone freaked out except maybe Lauren when she took exception to what KitKat had posted…I should have said what was the commotion/upset about. I’m surprised I didn’t see it pop up on Twitter because I have had things from Sami pop up. But that didn’t thank goodness.

        But here is my gut feeling about all that: I somehow doubt that tweet is for real. I think it was a setup so Sami would have something to post about. Either someone was trying to make it look like poor Sami has to endure insults only because she is black (and it really wasn’t for real) or it was a setup so Sami could have something to say and bring her name out there (again with the tweet not being real). It just somehow feels/sounds “staged” to me. And someone should have called BOTH of these people on the carpet concerning Vanessa. After all Vanessa is not completely white either and furthermore she got lengthy of hate comments on JJ sites for not being “lily” white. Many thought she was black/part black and some made snide comments because they thought she was a Latino. So she knows all about hate for who and what she is and is not.

        But further I have a feeling that Vanessa’s name was brought up—and another reason I think it is all fake—because Sami or someone thought she would get attention by numerous people sending Sami comments like “NOOoo, YOU are a million times better/prettier/smarter that blank-blank Vanessa Hudgens”. Well, she didn’t get that response. Even if there are those who like Sami if those people are honest they still like Vanessa better with Zac!

        • SERIOUSLY

          Don’t worry about the term, I got what you were saying. Either way it was over the top and unnecessary and the way it was done was clearly a way to try and grab attention and it did work with the “stans” as always hence why she posted thanking them for their “support” and favoriting their posts. I agree with you on what you say about Vanessa getting hate back then also. At the end of the day it was what Sami did was over the top for many reasons and shouldn’t have been done like that, IMO.

  • Maria

    I would just like to say, I am sorry for the bullying and rantings of BO on the main thread. Many years ago, when Vanessa and Zac split, I was very hard on him for his behavior (which I saw long ago and is still a problem), and his movie choices(which is still a concern). BO continually attacked all posters, and made rude and wild accusations about everyone. I stopped reading his posts or commenting years ago. It was just recently that I felt strongly enough about my concerns to comment again. My concerns are not hate, and I have always been treated well here, without any attacks. The discussions are always respectful (barring the obnoxious occasional rude people, like BO and names4u) and you all have the same concerns I always had. I appreciate that!

    • SERIOUSLY

      I understand what you are saying and I appreciate you saying that, but to be honest, you have no reason to be sorry for what is going on. I may not have been around on here for as long as some of you guys so I may not know what was before I joined, but I do remember that you started commenting on the Peru thread again (if I remember correctly after I had started commenting for a while), so it wasn´t too long ago. You have always been respectful about your opinions and that´s usually what matters to me about anyone: respect. I have no problem with differeing opinions or the same ones as long as there is respect in discussing it. Hence why I originally joined the old thread as well. I felt like it was a place where people were having the same concerns as me and even though opinions were differing from time to time a little bit everyone was able to remain respectful. Now with some of these people (some new and some being old ones I suppose) a respectful discussion seems nearly impossible since no matter what anyone says they get attacked with either nastiness or rudeness or with superficial or even untrue “facts”. Again, I have no problem with differing opinions but this kind of thing is not even funny anymore. I do think most of us know that your concerns do not come from a hateful place as many of us share the same ones as well. And I do think the things these other people post, say a lot about them. To be frank I have not been commenting much over there at this point because I just find it incredibly tiring to go through all the personal attacks and other stuff to get to the “core” of it, you know. I´m also just tired of pointlessly “arguing” or explaining things over and over again to people that bring forward hate and other stuff in return, until the opinions expressed and “attacked” are somehow proven right by “outside” stuff. Anyway, I think what I was trying to say is that you don´t really have to feel sorry for what´s going on since it´s not your fault what other people do. Many of us feel the same way as you and share your concerns and worries…

      • Maria

        Thanks, Seriously. I appreciate your kind words. I felt the need to apologize, because my comments brought her nasty words. I just can’t get into it with her. Flinging nastiness about Vanessa is just not necessary. This is not about her, and doesn’t need to be discussed here. She was only mentioned here because of recent happenings. I have continually said to her that we can’t compare their careers. I always knew he would have more movie success because of his female heartthrob following. I knew she would have a tougher road to climb. So why compare? I do believe, without any doubt, that she is happier, working in the industry when a project she likes comes along, and in love with a good guy for her. I just don’t think Hollywood BO success necessarily makes one happy; she just chose a different path than Zac did. But I think that contributed to his issues; pushing too soon into leading roles is pressure and can lead to failure if not careful. I saw the trailer for the Dave wedding date movie, and honestly, this one actually looks funny. It might be a big success for him, but he does need to cool it; he is overdoing the comedies and can get overexposed. Sorry if I got OT there, but I do appreciate your support.

        • SERIOUSLY

          You are welcome and you don’t have to blame yourself for what happened. BO has been going after others since she returned to the other thread, she commented asking me if I was mentally ill or something a few weeks ago amongst other things, for example and that was outside of Vanessa being a subject. And whoever BO is she isn’t the only disrespectful person over there. BTW, I really do think that Vanessa only became a bigger topic over there because of people finding fault with her being mentioned in light of what was happening. Other than that, I do agree with everything you said. I still respect V too, I don’t follow her as closely as I follow Zac and I may not be as big a fan of hers as I am of his but I still want nothing but the best for either of them. I do feel like the stage and musical theater is something V shines at and I also think she did choose a different route. As for MADNWD, as I said on the other thread, I didn’t find it laugh out loud hilarious but it looked fun and WAY better than DG so that’s good. I am assuming he will make a load of money this summer and with the prospect of Baywatch coming next summer… but that shouldn’t be everything that matters all the time, if that makes sense. I just wished he was being offered better roles again and more picky about them, choosing roles that do not bank on his body only or aren’t always the same. But like I and others have said so many times, he will have to take care of, most importantly, his personal and his professional problems first and as much as I want it to happen ASAP, I gotta admit that I am not too optimistic about seeing that in the too near future (with his personal problems at least). I know I am being a debby downer and I truly just want him to sort this stuff out for himself… Like I said to @Ok the other day (over on the other thread) what happens after Baywatch will be decisive for me. If I see him trying and making positive changes eventually or at least moving into a better direction again, then I will get my hopes up higher again, if not… well then that might be it for me because I just cannot bear to watch anyone I do care about self-destruct like that anymore without even really committing to trying but by hiding (which may sound silly and harsh but it is how I feel and trust me it hurts me to say this). I still believe he can turn it around for himself again but he needs to stop this charade and grow up before it is too late and situations like we heard about last summer end fatally. Anyway… Sorry for the rant and the LONG post… Just needed to get that out of my system, I guess. Really, I appreciate sharing my opinions with you and the rest of the group respectfully as much as you do too and I have never gotten why anyone feels the need to attack anyone personally in the meanest ways just because they feel like it brings them “joy” or makes the other person snap. There really is no need for that.

          • Maria

            Agree, Seriously. It was refreshing for me to find rational, intelligent conversation about Zac, to be honest. I am not a fangirl in any way, fawning over his eyes, his pecs, his body, etc. That drove me crazy!! I was always thinking, isn’t there anyone concerned over what is happening with him? The partying, the behavior, his choices, etc? BO is a fangirl, and won’t tolerate anything she sees as negative. She is a college student is Sri Lanka, in a very sheltered world of political uncertainty. She doesn’t really understand western culture, male behavior, or the signs of trouble in a human being. Her manner of attacking, along with a poster named Nightwish, really was horrible on Vanessa’s threads, back when I stopped commenting on Zac’s threads. At the time, I honestly couldn’t find good things to say about him, so I didn’t comment. But she was brutal, let me tell you. I truly hope she goes back to her classes soon. She comes out when she is on break. I just will not respond to her ever again. Her nastiness should not ruin good conversations!

          • SERIOUSLY

            Thank you and I know what you mean and I agree. I do have to say that I used to be somewhat of a fangirl up to a certain time wanting to believe him so badly, not to the point where I would attack others, though. I was usually still always open to different persepectives and made up my own mind about stuff and if I didn´t agree with anyone that was fine. Back when Zac´s problems first started, I was so very young and I wasn´t online and didn´t know that much about all of this in general, but as I grew up and certain things came to light and I started reading up on some stuff… well you know how that goes. I agree with you, for me it was never about his body or anything like that either. Don´t get me wrong, I´m not gonna lie, I did think he was attractive and handsome and had a good body, but I always saw that as more of an additional feature, instead of it being everything he is, and it´s definitely not what matters most to me, if that makes sense. It wasn´t why I became a fan of his and it sure isn´t why I stuck around for so long and frankly, just like you said him always being reduced to these qualities and all that drives me crazy too. Zac and his team do a lot of that to himself at this point, but that still doesn´t mean I like it by any means at all. I can truly say that Zac´s personality (and him as an actor) was why I fell in love with him way back and why I stuck around for so long in some way. All I want is just for him to be healthy and happy in his life and career. I have no delusions about people growing up and changing and him as a human being obviously having some faults and all that… I just really wish he would be more honest about it all. There is nothing wrong with him slipping, struggling and all that. But I guess it would require him to actually own up and commit to changes… not sure he´s ready for that. Either way… I have seen some delusional fans over the past few years myself not just on here but all over… who just don´t let anyone say anything that isn´t fawning or swooning without giving a nasty comment if it´s not their opinion. I do understand the wanting to believe him so badly and everything he puts out because firstly it´s easier and secondly many just don´t want to see it, but there is always a way to just ignore or at least not be nasty about it. Like I said above, I don´t know what was before I came here and frankly I can´t really judge people on that. I just see what is going on now and all that matters to me is whether people express their opinions respectfully, the same ones or different ones. I can say that @BO (amongst other random posters) hasn´t done that as far as I can tell, which is why I do not entertain her and others at all. It´s just not worth my time because just from the way she talks and posts you can tell that arguing with her wouldn´t lead anywhere. I´ve seen that happen before with other people and it´s just not worth it. You are right nastiness shouldn´t ruin any good conversations. JMO

          • Maria

            Unfortunately, I don’t think that guy exists anymore. I think he has changed in so many ways. I’d like to think the real Zac is still in there somewhere, but I think he has hardened to the realities of his business and to the pressures of life. He’s done some really dumb stuff through the years, but I think he can still come out of this phase with some good advice and help. As far as BO, she just wants to pick fights constantly. She does not have the ability to have a discussion without being rude. Watch. I can say something, and somehow she has to turn it around to Vanessa and belittle her. She is just so obnoxious.

    • OK

      I always thought you are one of the most respectful posters on the on the other board.
      I can see that you are concerned about Zac and his choices but never thought you were a hater.

      • Maria

        Thank you, OK. I just don’t understand her need to attack others who have differing opinions, instead of keeping to the subject. She went as far as mocking me, questioning my profession (I am an oncology nurse), and her style is always to attack. To me, it makes no difference why we are here. We are. Whether old posters or new, everyone is entitled to an opinion. I have no obsession with anyone; I was just a fan of two nice young kids when they broke out in HSM. Now, I just share some wisdom and observations about both of them, and still hope for nice careers for both. They were such talented kids! Hollywood isn’t always kind to teen talents, so I continued to follow them. So, as I said, we all have reasons why we care and comment. What brought me back to commenting, was a big concern over his partying, weird behavior, and Rodriquez fling. Guess I just wanted to see what his fans were thinking, and I stumbled upon a very respectful group who didn’t fling insults.

  • Maria

    Just letting you all know, I am done on the other thread. I won’t let BO turn it into a circus of ugly attacks, as she has already started. I just can’t get into it with her and I won’t stand for being attacked constantly.

    • SERIOUSLY

      I´m sorry to hear that, but I can understand how you feel.

    • Lolo11

      Totally understand. We can still chat on here though ????

  • Maria

    When I express concern for his issues, like I have for years, I don’t expect everything to turn into a battle, as it does with her. She will always bring something up with Vanessa, and she is not what we should discuss here. Vanessa has always been an entirely different story, and her career path has nothing to do with Zac. He was always going to be more successful, and she was always going to have an uphill battle. No comparison. When I comment here, it is out of real concern over his issues. Not hate.

  • Lolo11

    What thread did everyone move to in the end, I have lost track lol.

    • Maria

      The golfing in Sydney thread!

  • SERIOUSLY

    Ok, thank you.

  • SERIOUSLY

    People that have E-Mail notifications enabled on their account (or are logged in on Disqus with their E-Mail instead of Twitter) will receive those messages with the comments on posts they have either subscribed to or simply commented on before depending on the settings on the account. Those e-mails are sent when a comment is made right away. So the comment in the mail is ALWAYS the original comment without later made edits or deletion. But if those e-mails aren´t received there´s no way to see the deleted comment anymore.

  • What a laugh

    I guess that is how it is set up for me. I always get everything it seems.

  • SERIOUSLY

    Yes, probably.

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