Fans Are Not Happy With Laurel Lance's Death on 'Arrow'

Fans Are Not Happy With Laurel Lance's Death on 'Arrow'

If you watched last night’s episode of Arrow, you now know that Laurel Lance, played by Katie Cassidy, was the person in that grave the series alluded to during the season four premiere.

During the episode, fans saw Laurel stabbed by Damien, with one of Oliver’s arrows. While she survived the surgery, she passed during recovery.

“We knew that it would enrage a lot of people,” executive producer Marc Guggenheim said. “We’re not immune to the [fans rooting for Oliver and Laurel] and we’re not blind to it. We knew people would think, in the season where Oliver and Felicity get engaged and Laurel dies, that’s clearly making a choice about who’s going to end up with who. We told the Laurel/Oliver romance story in season one. We never really thought about going back to it. [Fans rooting for them] was not an element or a factor for us.”

He added, “We recognize that that upsets a lot of fans, particularly the comic book fans. In the comics, Dinah Lance and Oliver Queen are in a romance together in various iterations. To some people, that is considered canonical and iconic. We respect that but at the same time, we’ve always made no bones about the fact that we are telling our own version of the Green Arrow mythos. … But it made the most creative sense for us going forward despite the fact that we love Katie. Every time we’ve killed off a character on the show, it’s really been for the affect on all the characters left behind.”

Check out the upset and angry tweets fans left after watching Laurel pass on…

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  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    As Marc Guggenheim noted, the Laurel fans are a small but vocal minority. Olicity and Felicity were trending higher on Twitter last night than all of the pro-Laurel hashtags.

    • Hawk

      Which is exactly why this show has been nothing but frustrating since mid season 3. Olicity nonsense happened because there’s too many little teenagers shipping them and the writers are trying to save face by claiming that they don’t write for shippers, but they absolutely do.

      They’re losing a LOT of viewers, minority or not, they’ve just alienated a ton of people. Including me.

      I’m out.

      • RCM

        Laurel has been one of the worst characters on TV for years. Her fans won’t be missed.

        • BerryBerry15

          As a Laurel fan, that’s extremely offensive. Care to explain why you say that? You should at least be able to defend your point of view.

          • RCM

            I’ve written so much about what does’t work with this character on the internet that I’m tired of finding new ways of saying the same thing. So I’m just going to copy and paste something I wrote on a different site. Bear with me, it will seem a bit long winded (I was making a bigger point in response to someone else’s article), and a little out of context, but it gets my point across:

            From the beginning this show has presented itself as interpretation more than adaptation. This, by the way, is also very obviously true of Flash and Legends, both of which take major liberties with the characters and mythology. This series took a DC character that has never been particularly popular or important and reimagined him to try and create a new and invested fanbase. Right from the first episode it made major changes to the characters, their backgrounds, and their motivations. For the most part, it worked, and the series managed to breath new life into a character that had never achieved mainstream fame or primacy in popular culture. One change, however, didn’t work at all. The radical reimagining of Dinah “laurel” Lance has been an absolute disaster from beginning to end. Her lame backstory, lack of relevance in the main plot, beyond stupid origin story, and entirely unconvincing turn as Black Canary was simply embarrassing for a long time fan of the character like myself. Katie Cassidy’s fraught, charmless, and stiff acting only made it worse. She’s like a black hole of charisma on this show. Don’t even get me started on how she looks in the fight scenes. Calling her the best thing about the series feels like something that can’t be said or heard without choking. So, the producers chose to cut their losses and instead focus on the elements that work. Fair game in my opinion.

          • RCM

            You seem nicer than the person I was responding to with this post. So I apologize if the language comes off as a bit aggressive.

        • FlyHighAgain

          So then why were we trending higher than the olicunts?

          • RCM

            David Irving style revisionism doesn’t make you right. It just means you lose all credibility in the end.

          • ash429

            1) You weren’t, the UK and Brazil don’t count (the only places Laurel trended)
            2) the episode wasn’t about Olicity, it was Laurel centric
            3) Felicity was only in the last several minutes of the episode and still trended

      • ash429

        I’m an Olicity shipper but I’m not a teenager, for one. And most of the ones I talk to aren’t either. For another, I could just as easily argue a lot of the Oliver/Laurel & Laurel fans are teenagers. You don’t have any actual data to support Olicity fans being teenagers and Laurel fans not being teenagers, especially since I’ve seen plenty of evidence to the contrary and we ARE talking about comic books that are obviously read by a lot of teenagers. Not only that, but the huge majority of the people that are upset about Laurel are comic book purists that have never accepted that Arrow was going their own way and was not catering to comic books fans as if they are the superior section of fans. There’s always been this idea from some comic book fans (like the fanatical extremists that hang out on IGN and Reddit) that they should be fanserviced despite being a very small minority of the actual audience, less than 1%. Look at the GA sales, which are what 20-30K per month? GA isn’t a mainstream superhero that non comic book readers care about or have heard about, like Batman or Superman. You guys don’t have the humbers to demand a show that gets nearly 4 million viewers (with DVR numbers) cater to you and only you. Only some of the comic book fans care about GA/BC romance or the Black Canary remaining on the show. The majority of the audience doesn’t watch the show to see stuff from the comic books because they haven’t read them.

    • Hawk

      I should also mention that a bulk of those olicity tags were from angry Laurel supporters complaining about it.

      • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

        I’d like to think most of the Laurel fans are smarter than that, when all the accounts I saw devoted to her were plotting a hashtag war several days in advance.

      • ash429

        Yeah, right. You don’t have the numbers. And you know what? It wouldn’t matter even if that was the case. Buzz is buzz, there is no distinguishing when it comes to twitter. If laurel fans were ignorant enough to help stuff they dislike trend, that’s on them.

    • Elys

      First thing first, the shippers used the bot to promote their hash tag over Laurel supporters, it has already been proven. Anothier thing is that if the Laurel fans were just a minority, why would the ratings be affected so much?

      • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

        Where was that proven?

        From what I saw, the ratings were down 1/10th of a point on a night when most shows saw a dip in ratings.

        • jugss

          I’d wait for the next ep ratings to see if it does drop. Just so you know Arrow is a male skewing(59%) show so pandering to tumblr girls could backfire if the male demo tanks.

          • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

            Indeed. Which is why the assertion that they’re basing the fate of the show on what a bunch of fangirls on Twitter want is asinine.

          • ash429

            And what makes you think most male viewers care about Laurel? You have no evidence to support that. And comic book fans that watch Arrow AND live in the US AND care about Laurel are clearly a very small minority (also look up the US GA sales figures, we’re talking 20-30 K per month, and not all of them are going to watch Arrow either).

          • ash429

            3×19 last year got a 0.8 demo, and it was a team arrow action filled episode with no Olicity. A ratings drop or rise can’t be narrowed down to one factor based on no actual evidence, it’s just what you personally want to be true, and ratings are always lower this time of year for every show.

            “Pandering to tumblr girls”…..No. 1) they aren’t doing that and 2) pandering to comic book fans that are less than 1% of the audience would be better for business, huh?

          • jugss

            We’ll see then. April 27th right?

      • ash429

        This argument doesn’t make sense. 1) The episode was promoted as a Laurel centric. Most of the general audience wouldn’t know about Laurel’s death and even a lot of the online fans didn’t know or accept she was dying. So what’s your point? The ratings couldn’t have gone down because of her, unless you’re saying Laurel centrics just aren’t popular with the general audience (hmmmm).
        2) Ratings were down for a lot of other shows. It wasn’t just Arrow. It was a small ratings drop (.9 to .8 demo). Ratings go up and down, especially this time of year (spring) which is always hard on TV ratings. 3×19 of Arrow last year got a 0.8 demo and it was a team arrow episode with no Olicity.

    • FlyHighAgain

      Uh no they weren’t. The Prop Laurel trends were higher dude.

      • ash429

        1) No they weren’t. And as far as the network is concerned if it doesn’t trend in the US or WW it doesn’t matter (which she didn’t…there was only a ‘shopped attempt at a WW screen shot that was from Brazil)
        2) Olicity fans don’t use bots to trend, it wouldn’t even work as it would be counted as spam by twitter. Ever heard of tweet deck? A few Olicity shippers use that. You can schedule your tweets for trends if you can’t be there. If that’s what you’re referring to, that’s not bots. You guys just can’t accept that Laurel is unpopular.
        3) Laurel never trended before she died (and even then in Brazil and the UK only when she died) except in Brazil and it was an organized trend. Felicity and Olicity both trend regularly in the US and WW during episodes, both planned and unplanned. That means people in general don’t care enough about Laurel to tweet a lot about her.

    • FlyHighAgain

      Dude that night on Twitter it was all about Laurel. She was trending of many different countries. Where as Felicity didn’t get as high as Laurel hashtags. NoLaurelNoArrow event went world wide. Not one felicity hashtag went WW that day.

      • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

        Whatever, man. That doesn’t fly with what I saw and researched on my own.

        Of course the other Laurel fans are now spinning tales about the Felicity fans using bots to boost the hashtag hits artificially. Still waiting on proof for that.

        • Hamza Knight Smoak

          There is proof, look and see.

      • ash429

        No it didn’t. No Laurel No Arrow trended in Brazil and the UK only. Some LL fan photoshopped a WW trend out of a Brazil trend screen shot, but it didn’t actually happen. She couldn’t even trend in the US when she DIED. That’s unheard of. And you try and act like she’s a popular character? It was a Laurel centric episode and Felicity still trended when she was only in it at the end. Olicity fans also did a trend that went WW and trended in the US.

  • thanatos8285

    “Shippers” opinions should account for precisely zero percent of the show writers’ decision making.

    • http://batman-news.com Gogeta

      Unfortunately Uncle Guggie loves Tumblr too much.

  • Cadiva

    They’ve not known what to do with Laurel since the beginning, it’s hardly the fault of Olicity shippers.
    Not Katie’s fault but she’s had sod all to do throughout the vast majority of Arrow’s run and it’s only been recently that there hasn’t been as much of a vocal majority calling for the show to get rid of her as there has saying it’s a travesty to kill her off.

    • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

      They haven’t known what to do with her because only thing Laurel Lance on Arrow had in common with Dinah Laurel Lance in the comics was a name.

      I wrote an article on the subject.

      http://kabooooom.com/2016/04/arrow-laurel-lance-black-canary/

      • RCM

        A very good article. I’ve been trying to make this point for months.

        • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

          Thank you.

      • Cadiva

        Agree with pretty much most of that piece yes.

      • BerryBerry15

        I love both Dinah (I have liked and admired Black Canary for many years) and Laurel. Laurel Lance was, to me, the most realistic character in that show and her sense of justice was something to be admired, different from the others’ (although at first she became the Black Canary to avenge Sara). To me, it isn’t even about shipping. I couldn’t care less about LaurelxOliver at this point, I just wanted them using the potential I saw in that character. If she didn’t have more screentime, it was because (and I hate having to mention it since many people have done it already) the writers were too busy focusing on Olicity. At this point, little else matters to them and that’s what REALLY bothers me in the show. Of course, I feel disrespected because they killed the biggest reason I’ve been following the show for the past 2 seasons, but that’s not why I’ll stop watching. It’s because Olicity is just too much for me and I don’t want to be the type of person who keeps complaining about a show but watching it anyway.

        I hope I haven’t been disrespectful in any way, it wasn’t my intention. Simply trying to explain my point of view.

        • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

          Respectfully said.

          The irony is I’m still hoping for Sara/Ollie to work out in the end, yet I keep getting accused of being a brazen Olicity shipper. That’s doubly hilarious if you go back and read the older entries of my episode guide for the show, because I HATED Felicity at first.

          At any rate, your desire not to be one of those people who watch a show just to hate on it does you credit. I just wish more of the Laurel Lance Defense Squad felt the same way. Though I suspect, on reflection, I was probably just as obnoxious when I abandoned the Heroes fandom.

          Cheers.

  • DAMICO

    Killing Black Canary, when she finally was coming around as Black Canary it was wrong and stupid.
    I admit at first I did not like her , but in Season 4, she was finally the black canary.
    It really stink they killed her.

  • Ankur Mittal

    I am not a big fan of Black Canary/Lance but I think her death is staged…
    Here is my theory:
    To beat Damien Dark, Lance herself comes up with a plan… While Damien Dark is busy in fighting the Team Arrow, The Black Canary can be a shocking weapon for Oliver against him (Damien would not see/expect her coming when everyone is his magic grip)… Remember, Lance asking Oliver to make a promise… that is not to tell the truth about her death to her dad, this would risk her plan. Considering the past, it is very difficult for Oliver to make or keep such a promise.

    What you guys think?

    • Bradley Conder

      Something about how the death was filmed made me immediatly suspicious. It would not surprise me if it is yet another fake death.

  • Dan

    Glad she’s gone, her character was written inconsistently for 4 years and the “actress” should be in a different line of work. Sara Lance was a far better Black Canary and Dinah’s legacy deserves better than Katie Cassidy’s Laurel Lance. The show dropped dead weight and I think it’s gonna be better for it.

    • Hamza Knight Smoak

      Explain how Laurel Lance is nothing like Dinah Laurel in the comics. Sara was more like the typical Dinah Drake Lance, but Laurel was definitely Dinah Laurel.Sara/Drake created the Black Canary persona, but Laurel/Dinah Laurel took after the mantle after the downfall of the previous canaries. Dinah Laurel/Laurel had to wear a wig in the beginning, then they dyed their hair and stopped wearing the wig.

      Both Laurel and Dinah Laurel stood for justice since they were very young. But unlike Dinah Laurel, Laurel took on justice through being a lawyer. They still had the same moralities.

      Sara Lance was damaged and nothing like Black Canary from the comics except for the costume. Dinah is suppose to be sassy and proud of who she is, Sara was nothing like that. I love Sara, don’t get me wrong, but i always depicted her as Drake rather than Dinah Laurel.

      The show failed in the ratings over the last 4 episodes after KC’s final appearance. It reached 2 series lows, one being below 2 million, i guess the dead weight really balanced the ratings :P.

      • Dan

        I think most of the reasons you think KC’s Laurel was like Dinah, are surface reasons. “She dyed her hair! She has fishnet accents on her costume! She spends 90% of her screen time crossing her arms! Can’t get more Dinah than that!”. No. KC can’t emote to save her life and she brought none of the warmth that Dinah Laurel brought to BC. She also didn’t have the backstory/training to put her on par with the incredible fighter that comic!BC is known to be, and from my perspective, her motivations throughout the show usually came off as selfish. LL may be your BC, but apart from surface details, she is nothing like the BC I grew up admiring. And it’s a shame that so many millions of non-comicbook fans will only know her version.
        I agree that Sara on Arrow was more like Dinah Drake, but Sara on Legends is more like Dinah Laurel than Laurel on Arrow was. Caity Lotz also had more chemistry with the Arrow cast in a handful of episodes than KC had in 4 seasons.
        As for ratings, I haven’t looked at them and I never will. Ratings don’t account for me watching my favourite show from 3rd party streaming websites. Ratings only actually come from specific households (I believe only in the U.S.) who have Neilson boxes, so even if I watched live every single night, my viewership would not account towards ratings. And anyway, I said the show would be better for killing off LL, and I stand by that. Because ratings to me, do not make a show good. I want good storytelling. I want characters who are written well and who I can empathize for. I always got the feeling the writers didn’t know how to deal with Laurel, and in order to accommodate her, they would push other beloved characters aside. Ignoring all the lame dialogue about what a great person LL was, I think the last few episodes of the season were good. 4×20 and 4×21 in particular, were on “back-half of season 2″ quality.
        Sorry if it’s not up to your standards anymore, but I love Arrow and I have high hopes for season 5. If you don’t like what you’re seeing, there’s about 10000 different comicbook genre shows you can tune into instead. Personally, I don’t think any of the superpower-infused shows out there are like Arrow, and none of the other characters in the DCTVU pull me in like the ones still left in Star City. I think next season has the potential to be the best season thus far, and I’m excited to see where it goes:).

  • Bradley Conder

    Perhaps we can kill of Felicity next and the show can go back to being good.

  • Will Norris

    She isn’t dead. It didn’t happen! This season of Arrow is an alternate timeline!

    White Canary is traveling through time with Rip Hunter. The deal is that he returns the team back to the point in time where they left. This is before Black Canary dies.

    So everything that happens this season will be undone upon White Canary’s return. She rejoins Team Arrow, having conquered her rage problem. She save Black Canary (her sister) and kicks Darkh’s butt. Atom also rejoins Team Arrow, which means he would also be around to alter events.

    The only way this doesn’t happen is if they kill White Canary and Atom on Legends. But the same also goes for Team Flash. Once Firestorm, Snark, Hawkgirl, etc return, are we supposed to believe they will have no effect on Team Flash? At a minimum, Firestorm rejoins Team Flash. The Professor comes up with some new way to defeat Zoom, changing the whole season. Or are they going to kill all of these people too (on Legends, everyone has to die except Rip Hunter, or this season of Arrowverse is an alternate timeline).

    Time travel!

  • TraceyH

    I’m sorry. I quit watching the show with the start of Damien Darhk. Just hard for me to hear what the characters were saying over the music. But I always thought Laurel was the most annoying character *ever*, then when she became a superhero even *more* annoying. I’m glad she is off the show and I will totally pass on her resurrection in case it crossed the writers’ minds. >_>

  • Bardock72

    I was elated when she finally got offed. My least favorite character on the show. A boring prude who doesn’t have nearly enough training/experience to pull off what she does.

  • Jason grenade

    All of the shows on CW take turn for the worst at some point, I don’t think they can help it. I mean they killed Laurel before they killed Roy?So he can do what pop back up every once and while anyway just another show to throw in the trash.

    • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

      That was because the actor who played Roy – Colton Haynes – had personal issues he needed to work through and he wanted to get out of the show. It had nothing to do with the writers apart from them trying to play the hand they were dealt as best they could.

  • t1oracle

    Laura Lance needed to die, good riddance. Stop showing her in flashbacks and we’ll be good.

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